YOu will win the LLS for sure IMO

That's after all 23 games

I was saying 26 points would confirm our top 8 spot

I may be being thick but im not sure I get you still get you. If you are in the top 8 after 23 games which will be around 20 points.... you are gauranteed top 8 if you lose all 7 super 8s. You cant drop out of the 8. So.... 20/22 points will gaurantee top 8. Not 26.

Probably should do but only takes a bad little run of games. LLS would be nice to finally get some silverware in the cabinet but would rather get a CC or GF trophy.

Salford looked average last 2 week. Hull look like they will be our closest challengers I think if they stop their silly games every now and then where they get hammered.

If Hull could ever get anything near a fit squad they will certainly be contenders but it doesn't really look very likely they will

22 points will almost certainly get you a top 8 place, more likely 20 would be fine.

33 would have gotten you top 4 for the past two years where we have seen what looks like a competitive top 5 have one team fall away pretty drastically coming in to the 8s. I think if Leeds or Wakefield get 7 more wins, Hull or Salford get 6, that will get them a top 4 spot. I dont think 5 sides will get 34 points or more.

Id also say that wins today for Cas and Les Catalans would make it unlikely the top 8 isnt decided.

I think when the League brought out this system of the bottom four having to play off against championship clubs most of us fans of the "bigger" clubs just assumed it would always be the "usual" clubs at the bottom and all we had to work on was the top four.
But the league is so even these days I think we all have to accept that a poor spell through injuries or complacency can drag any team into the bottom four.
Last year it was Leeds, this year most Likely Warrington and Catalan but Saints and Wigan aren't completely clear yet.

Due to the nature of the play offs teams 9 and 10 aren't really in danger of being relegated so, although it is disappointing to finish so low I think the fans have to accept that it can happen to any club.
The clubs just have to use it as a spur to do better next season.

If Huddersfield continue their much improved form I can see them making the 8 which means someone else finishing in the bottom 4 who maybe weren't expected to be there.

Isn't a more competitive League what we wanted ?

Competition at the expense of quality? No.

Some would prefer the usual three or four be at the top and in the finals. It's funny how the only fans talking about the lack of quality is fans from clubs who aren't getting their own way this year.

I dont mind the 8s but one tweak i would make to super 8s is to expand the play offs to the old top 5 format which we used when it all started in the late 90s. That way finishing top gets a real reward and expanding to 5 keeps it alive for longer for those in 6th 7th and 8th as we have seen the top 4 pretty much done and dusted before super 8s has begun last couple of years.

And how do you ' prove ' the reduction in quality ?

Or is that how you explain the ' bigger ' clubs aren't at the top ?

Personally I think the eights are done & dusted for part one.

The conundrum for me is who'll finish where. Cas & Leeds will make the top four but as to where the other six will finish, I couldn't call it.

Of the bottom four I think Catalans are the most at risk, there just seems to be no fight in the squad, maybe their new coach can rectify the malaise.

Ask anyone that has watched SL over the last 15 years.