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Toronto have committed to cover the costs of visiting clubs for the first season only. Have they announced their training base yet or said why the venture with Bradford Bulls fell by the wayside
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Quote: DemonUK "Toronto have committed to cover the costs of visiting clubs for the first season only. Have they announced their training base yet or said why the venture with Bradford Bulls fell by the wayside'"
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Toronto Wolfpack have abandoned a plan to share Bradford Bulls' training facilities at Tong during their inaugural season in the English league.
Bradford say they have been unable to come to an agreement with the Canadian newcomers, who intend to base themselves in the north of England while playing blocks of four away matches in Kingstone Press League 1 in 2017.
A Bulls spokesperson said: "Despite the endeavours of both clubs to reach an agreement which would have been financially beneficial for both clubs, it became obvious that the proposal was impractical and it would be difficult to form a working relationship.
"The club would like to state that the decision was made amicably and we will continue to support Toronto in their efforts to establish themselves."
Toronto, who have appointed former Bradford coach Brian Noble as director of rugby and have ex-Halifax and St Helens forward Adam Fogerty on their board of directors, are now thought to have set their sights on using west Yorkshire-based Brighouse Sports Club as their English base. |
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Quote: DemonUK "Toronto have committed to cover the costs of visiting clubs for the first season only. Have they announced their training base yet or said why the venture with Bradford Bulls fell by the wayside'"
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Toronto Wolfpack have abandoned a plan to share Bradford Bulls' training facilities at Tong during their inaugural season in the English league.
Bradford say they have been unable to come to an agreement with the Canadian newcomers, who intend to base themselves in the north of England while playing blocks of four away matches in Kingstone Press League 1 in 2017.
A Bulls spokesperson said: "Despite the endeavours of both clubs to reach an agreement which would have been financially beneficial for both clubs, it became obvious that the proposal was impractical and it would be difficult to form a working relationship.
"The club would like to state that the decision was made amicably and we will continue to support Toronto in their efforts to establish themselves."
Toronto, who have appointed former Bradford coach Brian Noble as director of rugby and have ex-Halifax and St Helens forward Adam Fogerty on their board of directors, are now thought to have set their sights on using west Yorkshire-based Brighouse Sports Club as their English base. | |
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| Quote: DGM "For [isome[/i Leigh fans it's a double whammy of bitterness; firstly that they've got Paul Rowley and a load of other ex-Leigh players (some of which as you say, they wouldn't want for SL anyway); secondly, they fear that a club could come from nowhere and we bigger than them in a very short space of time.
There's a thread on their board too that has gone the way of the bitter few. Some are genuinely interested in Toronto, others are criticising the venture before it's even played a game.'"
Most Leigh fans are criticising the manner in which they left the club to head Toronto bound. Hence the morals and ethics | | |
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i think it would be fair to assume that for the first season quite a lot of locals will not buy season tickets but will turn up and pay on the day for 1 game to see whether they like the sport or not. they could well get a couple of really big crowds first up, the trick will be to tempt people back. the second season might well be when season tickets really take off
knowing how canadians watch sports, i assume the club will be making big efforts to turn the matches into a full days experience, with lots of things going on apart from the main game.
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| Quote: DGM "For [isome[/i Leigh fans it's a double whammy of bitterness; firstly that they've got Paul Rowley and a load of other ex-Leigh players (some of which as you say, they wouldn't want for SL anyway); secondly, they fear that a club could come from nowhere and we bigger than them in a very short space of time.
There's a thread on their board too that has gone the way of the bitter few. Some are genuinely interested in Toronto, others are criticising the venture before it's even played a game.'"
Maybe for some, but I think for the majority, the way that Rowley left just before the season started and went on the radio to talk about ethics, which led to all sorts of mud being slung at the club, only to take another job and tap up a fair number of players, has led to most of the resentment.
As for Toronto club in general, this season will be all about how they handle the logistical side of things. So sorting out travel, accomodation etc... while still more than likely winning most if not all their games. I reckon their longer term feasibility will be tested by 2 things 1) what happens if/when the Toronto club decide to stop paying for clubs to travel there 2) what happens if/when they earn promotion to SL, or even middle 8s. Will SL clubs have to vote them in, does it change from SLE to SL northern hemisphere? What exactly is the remit of SL and the RFL on the world game? | | |
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[size=85:3idnpzvq]Cup Winners: 1914, 1982, 2005, 2016, 2017.
Cup Runners-Up: 1908, 1909, 1910, 1922, 1923, 1959, 1960, 1980, 1983, 1985, 2008, 2013.
League Champions: 1920, 1921, 1936, 1956, 1958, 1983.
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Quote: LeythIg "Maybe for some, but I think for the majority, the way that Rowley left just before the season started and went on the radio to talk about ethics, which led to all sorts of mud being slung at the club, only to take another job and tap up a fair number of players, has led to most of the resentment.
As for Toronto club in general, this season will be all about how they handle the logistical side of things. So sorting out travel, accomodation etc... while still more than likely winning most if not all their games. I reckon their longer term feasibility will be tested by 2 things 1) what happens if/when the Toronto club decide to stop paying for clubs to travel there 2) what happens if/when they earn promotion to SL, or even middle 8s. Will SL clubs have to vote them in, does it change from SLE to SL northern hemisphere? What exactly is the remit of SL and the RFL on the world game?'"
The Americas are under the jurisdiction of the RLEF (along with Europe, Africa and the Middle East).
www.rlef.eu.com/index.php
The RFL only have a remit over the game here in the UK and SL/the league structure I believe, and it's their choice to allow Catalans & Toronto to join it.
As for the travel & accommodation to other clubs, who knows. I imagine whilst in the Championship/League 1 they'll have to cover the costs as part of the terms of them joining the leagues (which possibly is a condition for them to join SL too). All 'what ifs' at the moment though. |
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Quote: LeythIg "Maybe for some, but I think for the majority, the way that Rowley left just before the season started and went on the radio to talk about ethics, which led to all sorts of mud being slung at the club, only to take another job and tap up a fair number of players, has led to most of the resentment.
As for Toronto club in general, this season will be all about how they handle the logistical side of things. So sorting out travel, accomodation etc... while still more than likely winning most if not all their games. I reckon their longer term feasibility will be tested by 2 things 1) what happens if/when the Toronto club decide to stop paying for clubs to travel there 2) what happens if/when they earn promotion to SL, or even middle 8s. Will SL clubs have to vote them in, does it change from SLE to SL northern hemisphere? What exactly is the remit of SL and the RFL on the world game?'"
The Americas are under the jurisdiction of the RLEF (along with Europe, Africa and the Middle East).
www.rlef.eu.com/index.php
The RFL only have a remit over the game here in the UK and SL/the league structure I believe, and it's their choice to allow Catalans & Toronto to join it.
As for the travel & accommodation to other clubs, who knows. I imagine whilst in the Championship/League 1 they'll have to cover the costs as part of the terms of them joining the leagues (which possibly is a condition for them to join SL too). All 'what ifs' at the moment though. | |
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| Quote: jakeyg95 "Craig Hall was fantastic going forward for us at times this season so he should absolutely annihilate teams in the third tier. Liam Kay for top try scorer and Hall for player of the season.'"
And when they win this prodigious award what the blinking heck will that prove apart from they are playing at a level well below their ability.
Oh yes and the thrill of all the clubs trying to establish themselves or re-establish get a good hiding every week.  | | |
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| Quote: Moonlight "And when they win this prodigious award what the blinking heck will that prove apart from they are playing at a level well below their ability.
Oh yes and the thrill of all the clubs trying to establish themselves or re-establish get a good hiding every week. ![]()
I didn't say it would prove anything, I just pointed out that Craig Hall will probably be the best player in the league and that Liam Kay will score tries for fun. Not sure what your point is?
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Signed 3 trialists after their game with Brighouse, every game on premier sports, on TV in Canada, fantastic squad built so far, very active social media account. And I'll tell you what, some of their gear is decent rlhttps://www.buysportskit.com/toronto-wolfpack-967-c.asprl
This could go a lot smoother than I imagined it would.
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This is rl it simply will not go as smoothly as you want.
Personally speaking I hope this club is stronger in 2019 Onwards than it is now
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| Quote: Moonlight "And when they win this prodigious award what the blinking heck will that prove apart from they are playing at a level well below their ability.
Oh yes and the thrill of all the clubs trying to establish themselves or re-establish get a good hiding every week. ![]()
Maybe, some of these players believe that there is life outside the M62 corridor and fancy expanding their surroundings and if they can do this, whilst getting paid to play RL then why not ?
IF this venture is a success, they will have been "trail blazers" of sorts and there is a mix of youth and experience within the squad, which should help in the longer term.
The Toronto set up does appear to have been set up with far more thought and backing than any of the other expansion efforts and therefore should have a great chance to succeed and if players fancy Toronto, which is one hell of a city, there should be plenty of takers, when they look to progress.
The other aspect is their investment in "finding" local players and whilst RL is not the same as American Football, many of the skills are transferable and again, IF there is an opportunity for NFL cast offs, of which there are 1000's, RL could be onto something good.
Of course there are issues with having a club in Toronto but, the opportunities seem far greater and It would be superb for the game if Toronto are a success.
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there are 100s of cast offs every year from the guys who dont get drafted into the NFL. If Toronto can sell theirself to these players then they are for sure to become a well known and heavily followed team across the waters.
Im excited about it all and hope it works out.
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "Maybe, some of these players believe that there is life outside the M62 corridor and fancy expanding their surroundings and if they can do this, whilst getting paid to play RL then why not ?
IF this venture is a success, they will have been "trail blazers" of sorts and there is a mix of youth and experience within the squad, which should help in the longer term.
The Toronto set up does appear to have been set up with far more thought and backing than any of the other expansion efforts and therefore should have a great chance to succeed and if players fancy Toronto, which is one hell of a city, there should be plenty of takers, when they look to progress.
The other aspect is their investment in "finding" local players and whilst RL is not the same as American Football, many of the skills are transferable and again, IF there is an opportunity for NFL cast offs, of which there are 1000's, RL could be onto something good.
Of course there are issues with having a club in Toronto but, the opportunities seem far greater and It would be superb for the game if Toronto are a success.'"
Great post, great to see actual positivity for expansion!
As you say, this one seems like its been very well thought out, and theyre doing it the right way- we havent just chucked a load of money at them and thrown them into SL. If they get there, it will be on merit, as a Fax fan I can swallow that far easier than watching Celtic Crusaders in SL! | | |
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| Quote: Halifax1989 "Great post, great to see actual positivity for expansion!
As you say, this one seems like its been very well thought out, and theyre doing it the right way- we havent just chucked a load of money at them and thrown them into SL. If they get there, it will be on merit, as a Fax fan I can swallow that far easier than watching Celtic Crusaders in SL!'"
Cheers, although, the game of RL should be thinking about where it wants to be in 10 or 20 years time.
I dont think that anyone at Red Hall actually knows where the game is trying to aim for.
Sure, there are lots of positive things happening (if you look for them) but, the domestic game is floundering.
Crowds are falling, the TV deal was accepted far too quickly and cheaply (especially compared to Union) and nobody has a flipping clue what to do to improve the game's profile and increase revenue.
Sadly, in pro sport, cash is everything and there just isn't enough brass coming into the game.
Toronto may help a little with profile but, what happens next.
Even if they romp the third tier comp, which many expect, making the next step (into SL) will be extremely difficult and this may be where the "experiment" falls flat on its back side. | | |
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| Quote: DGM "In the Dave Woods interview with Perez, Perez was quite nonchalant when he answered the financial questions, saying about his fellow investors, partners such as the City of Toronto & the Mayor, deals with hotels & airlines etc, expected sponsorship deals. it doesn't seem an issue.
Crowds will be interesting. As you say, the national team pull in around 7k. In a sports mad city with a he catchment area, 7k sounds achievable.'"
So the national team pulls in more fans than any other nation bar Australia, NZ and England? That's impressive
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