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| Quote: Sir Kevin Sinfield "This would be great except I highly doubt the NRL would agree to a 3 week break. They are more likley to agree to release Aus internationals for 1 week and NZ internationals another week. Super League could take a break and Eng go down under and play a mid season game against each.
Sadly Eng playing and beating other home nations with ease isn't going to achieve much, those nations need to play competitive games against each other.'"
I thought if it was over the same weekends at SOO a three week NRL break would stand a better chance.
I think the other home nations still need exposure to a higher level of competition (playing England). If 'tier 2' nations only ever play other tier 2 nations, then where is the challenge to test yourself against the very best? Would a Welsh youngster be more inspored by a game vs Scotland at Workington in front of a couple of Cumbrians, or a game vs the old enemy England?
We need to make International RL the pinnacle of our sport. We need to give the emerging/Tier 2 Nations the chance to test themselves, improve, create that pathway for them to compete at the highest levels.
England will dish out a fair few drubbings of course, but so what? We have to think longer term for a change. Some will say England need a bigger mid-season test to compete with the Aussies, well if that's the view taken - prioritising the England team to be competitive then all we'll ever have is a three-team International game.
The same goes for Fiji, Tonga, PNG, Samoa. Maybe Fiji playing more test matches would help convince Radradra to represent Fiji instead of pledge to Australia? (maybe he's only bothered about money, who knows?)
Football & RU set the standard for International competition & we're massively lagging behind, mainly due to our own insular nature and poor governance.
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| Been saying for years RL needs some sort of 5 nations sell it to BBC or ITV and market the hell out of it take it too Ireland Wales Scotland and France and let the home fans get behind them and build from there,
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| Quote: Doom&Gloom Merchant "I thought if it was over the same weekends at SOO a three week NRL break would stand a better chance.
I think the other home nations still need exposure to a higher level of competition (playing England). If 'tier 2' nations only ever play other tier 2 nations, then where is the challenge to test yourself against the very best? Would a Welsh youngster be more inspored by a game vs Scotland at Workington in front of a couple of Cumbrians, or a game vs the old enemy England?
We need to make International RL the pinnacle of our sport. We need to give the emerging/Tier 2 Nations the chance to test themselves, improve, create that pathway for them to compete at the highest levels.
England will dish out a fair few drubbings of course, but so what? We have to think longer term for a change. Some will say England need a bigger mid-season test to compete with the Aussies, well if that's the view taken - prioritising the England team to be competitive then all we'll ever have is a three-team International game.
The same goes for Fiji, Tonga, PNG, Samoa. Maybe Fiji playing more test matches would help convince Radradra to represent Fiji instead of pledge to Australia? (maybe he's only bothered about money, who knows?)
Football & RU set the standard for International competition & we're massively lagging behind, mainly due to our own insular nature and poor governance.'"
I would love the NRL and Super League to both take a mid season break, I just don't think the NRL will ever agree to it. If it was to happen though with State of Origin on 3 consecutive weekends, a mid season test series against NZ would be the best thing for England. This could alternate between hemispheres so both sides have internationals on home soil every year.
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| Quote: Sheephead "Been saying for years RL needs some sort of 5 nations sell it to BBC or ITV and market the hell out of it take it too Ireland Wales Scotland and France and let the home fans get behind them and build from there,'"
I'm afraid most those teams aren't in a fit state to take part in a comp like that.
The players and fans killed the War of The Roses, who's to say they wouldn't kill it off again.
To create room in the calendar, we should start by ditching two teams from Super League. There just isn't enough quality in the comp to spread around.
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73680_1515668157.jpg [size=85:3idnpzvq]Cup Winners: 1914, 1982, 2005, 2016, 2017.
Cup Runners-Up: 1908, 1909, 1910, 1922, 1923, 1959, 1960, 1980, 1983, 1985, 2008, 2013.
League Champions: 1920, 1921, 1936, 1956, 1958, 1983.
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| Quote: Sir Kevin Sinfield "I would love the NRL and Super League to both take a mid season break, I just don't think the NRL will ever agree to it. If it was to happen though with State of Origin on 3 consecutive weekends, a mid season test series against NZ would be the best thing for England. This could alternate between hemispheres so both sides have internationals on home soil every year.'"
It probably would be. But what's best for the game? I think we have to get out of the mind set of placing England's (or any other nation's) needs above the needs of the International game as a whole.
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| Quote: Wire Yed "Yorks v Lancs.....I'm from Cheshire i couldn't give a monkeys about Lancs.'"
Don't blame ya mate. It's a foul place
But seriously, War of the Roses, Yorks v Lancs...anyone who thinks that that's the basis for a decent marketing campaign needs to think again. It might get a bit of lukewarm backing along part of the M62 but nationally??
Didn't the RFL come up with some stat showing that a high proportion of tickets for London games were purchased by folk living outside the heartlands? If we're going to run with some sort of sub-international concept it should appeal to them too (as well as others from all other parts of the country). That Yorks-Lancs county rivalry thing looks faintly ridiculous from any sort of distance.
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| Quote: Wire Yed "So with St Helens in Merseyside, Wigan and Salford in Gtr Manchester, Wire and Widnes in Cheshire, which clubs fans represents Lancashire? How far down the leagues do you need to go to find a club in Lancashire?
Warrington is in Lancashire - the County boundaries NEVER changed - for purely administrative purposes some services were merged with cheshire
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| Quote: Laughing Gravy "
Yorkshire could play in white and the team from west of the Pennines could play in Black, representing "the dark side" (it's usually referred to this way by folk on the better side of the hill.
Alternatively Good versus Evil and they could use the Salford mascot
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| Quote: roofaldo2 "People from Yorkshire tend to show a great deal of pride in coming from Yorkshire.
However, that's not as evident in people from other counties. They're more likely to identify with their town rather than the region. Which is why I think the roses clash never really took off as a thing'"
People in Yorkshire are no different to people , say, in Wales or Scotland, in that we are proud of our "nation" and heritage, we just haven't proclaimed independence yet.
I often get asked by outsiders just why we are so proud of our county, more so, than say, someone from Dorset, my answer is simple, Yorkshire isn't just a county, it's our culture, our way of life, our heritage.
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| Quote: meast "People in Yorkshire are no different to people , say, in Wales or Scotland, in that we are proud of our "nation" and heritage, we just haven't proclaimed independence yet.
I often get asked by outsiders just why we are so proud of our county, more so, than say, someone from Dorset, my answer is simple, Yorkshire isn't just a county, it's our culture, our way of life, our heritage.'"
Well said
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| [*] Quote: Clearwing "Don't blame ya mate. It's a foul place
But can be used to increase the profile and reach of the game in Yorkshire & Lancashire. Even in our "heartlands" support and profile of the game is only average at best.
Other measures are needed to increase profile and reach in other areas. My basic plan would be:
- Reduce SL to 10 clubs. (Takes 6 games off the season. 4 regular season & 2 after the split)
- introduce a 2nd cup competition early in the season. (Max 4 games for SL clubs)
- introduce a 3 game Roses comp run alongside the regular season. All qualifying players to be made available for selection. If they're not then clubs to be sanctioned and players to be made unavailable for international selection.
- take £3.6m a year from the TV money to be invested in the game. £1.8m to be targeted investment in one or 2 areas (my preference being Newcastle and/or Manchester) to both help Salford/Newcastle grow and to grow the game at grassroots level in these areas. The other £1.8m to go toward grassroots growth in other areas.
- A regular mid-season international series established involving England, Wales and France.
That's an increase of a max of 11 games (4 max from 2nd cup comp, 4 from international series playing France & Wales twice, and 3 Roses games).
But there's a reduction of 6 games from a smaller league and due to the smaller league and an increase in the tv deal money clubs should be able to afford bigger squads.
I'd love to get Australia/NZ over mid-season but realistically I can't see it ever happening.
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| There isn't a single rugby league team from Lancashire in the top seven leagues of this sport. It might go further down the rugby league structure before you find one but I haven't looked that far down.
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This is the clearest as it has Saint, Wigan, Wire and Widnes all within their respective counties, Laughing Gravy, you need to move with the times and stop holding on to the past.
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