FORUMS > The Virtual Terrace > Big RL story imminent? |
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Owner | 8627 | |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Nov 2003 | 21 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Feb 2020 | Feb 2020 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
users/saintsold.gif Forever in Rented Accomodation:users/saintsold.gif |
|
| Quote: Angelic Cynic "If true it would also suggest that certain players knowingly and willingly participated in breaching the rules and those individual players should be punished accordingly.
With Puletua now retired,this may focus on a certain club in the north west.
Interesting times.
It's gotta be time for he return of Des.He has served most of his 8 yrs ban now,hasn't he?'"
again, I am not sure of the specifics of this case but there is nothing inherently wrong from the players perspective in having 2 contracts. The player is not responsible for any salary cap reporting, so he isn't to know whether the club is or is not reporting his earnings correctly.
He could have 10 different contracts for different aspects of his earnings and the club still be compliant with the cap if they are reporting it all correctly.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Owner | 2874 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Feb 2004 | 21 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Aug 2024 | Aug 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
8762_1295775855.jpg :d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_8762.jpg |
|
| Quote: TheButcher "The case in question was thrown out of court a while ago. Not sure another RFL investigation is going to find anything different than a law court.'"
Despite what your glorious leader says, the case was not thrown out of court and he is being economical with the truth somewhat. Puletua took both Salford Red Devils and Euromatech Ltd to the tribunal over non-payment of his second contract with Euromatech which was intrinsically linked to his playing contract at Salford. He signed for Salford on the basis of an £80k playing contract with the club and a separate £50k contract for "consultancy services" with Euromatech. The tribunal found the club not guilty of owing Puletua money but also found that Euromatech did and they were ordered to pay him, something which Dear Leader neglects to mention.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Coach | 5880 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Mar 2005 | 20 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Oct 2024 | Oct 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
13517.jpg :13517.jpg |
|
| Quote: Derwent "Despite what your glorious leader says, the case was not thrown out of court and he is being economical with the truth somewhat. Puletua took both Salford Red Devils and Euromatech Ltd to the tribunal over non-payment of his second contract with Euromatech which was intrinsically linked to his playing contract at Salford. He signed for Salford on the basis of an £80k playing contract with the club and a separate £50k contract for "consultancy services" with Euromatech. The tribunal found the club not guilty of owing Puletua money but also found that Euromatech did and they were ordered to pay him, something which Dear Leader neglects to mention.'"
If all of that is true (do you have a source for the info?) then that doesn't look too good from Salford's perspective.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 2024 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Sep 2009 | 15 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jan 2022 | Jan 2022 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
: |
|
| It'll be of some interest to see how this develops, and any further implications it might have.
It's not too unusual for senior players to get involved with the coaching of junior teams, or even the "reserve team" at their current club, so if they had received additional payments for these activities, would that too count towards the cap?
If there is a clear seperation of duties, and it could be proved that someone did indeed have a seperate, functional and valid, consultancy role, in addition to their playing contract, then why would it be counted towards to cap? Of course if its just a smokescreen, then fair enough, count if towards the cap, and investigate the potential rule breech.
|
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 5214 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Aug 2006 | 18 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Sep 2024 | Sep 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
27476.gif I am the hash browns of rlfans :27476.gif |
|
| Quote: shinymcshine "It'll be of some interest to see how this develops, and any further implications it might have.
It's not too unusual for senior players to get involved with the coaching of junior teams, or even the "reserve team" at their current club, so if they had received additional payments for these activities, would that too count towards the cap?
If there is a clear seperation of duties, and it could be proved that someone did indeed have a seperate, functional and valid, consultancy role, in addition to their playing contract, then why would it be counted towards to cap? Of course if its just a smokescreen, then fair enough, count if towards the cap, and investigate the potential rule breech.'"
There is no seperation, nor should there be. The reason why is abuse of the loophole - you'd end up in a situation whereby every single player had 2 defined, completely seperate "consultancy" roles in the club and paid £1 for his on field duties and £200k for working in the club shop once a year for an hour.
Rules with regards other functions at the club
Other Employees of the Club acting as Players
Where any employee of the Club (such as a coach or trainer) is selected to play for the Club in a Salary Cap Relevant Match during the Salary Cap Year, he shall immediately be considered to be a ‘Player’ for the remaining period of the Salary Cap Year (irrespective of his primary duties to the Club and/or whether he plays for the Club in any other Salary Cap Relevant Match during the remainder of the Salary Cap Year).
'"
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Captain | 973 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jul 2015 | 9 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Apr 2020 | Mar 2020 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
Wire Quin at work: |
|
| Quote: consultancy "There is no seperation, nor should there be. The reason why is abuse of the loophole - you'd end up in a situation whereby every single player had 2 defined, completely seperate "consultancy" roles in the club and paid £1 for his on field duties and £200k for working in the club shop once a year for an hour.'"
Not forgetting the missus working in the shop on £100K
|
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Captain | 973 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jul 2015 | 9 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Apr 2020 | Mar 2020 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
Wire Quin at work: |
|
| Just drop a paper bag in the Virgin isles to be picked up on there route home
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 15795 | |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jun 2005 | 19 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2024 | Nov 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
16032_1698179828.jpg "[color=#800080:2tf4iz4f]BOHICA[/color:2tf4iz4f]":d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_16032.jpg |
|
| I think the Dr has been taking salary cap management lessons from uncle Mo
|
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Chairman | 6601 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Feb 2002 | 23 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Dec 2023 | Dec 2023 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
Black Backgrounds/Miss%20Piggy.gif LIVING THE DREAM ALL THE WAY TO THE SUPER LEAGUE PLAY-OFFS!
''All our dreams can come true if we have the courage to pursue them'':Black Backgrounds/Miss%20Piggy.gif |
|
| Quote: Levrier "Conspiracy theory at its best. Koukash sells entire team to Leigh, Salford made to swap places with Leigh for coming season and the good doctor buys Leigh.'"
Insane, but you can have 10000/1 for that happenijng...
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Owner | 626 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Sep 2003 | 21 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Oct 2017 | Oct 2017 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
: |
|
| From this it's obvious the salary cap is impossible to police so scrap it allow clubs to pay what they want and if they then end up in administration they get demoted one division teams in the bottom division forfeit promotion for one season if they are wound up its start at the bottom again a club in the bottom division forfeits promotion for two years
NO EXCEPTIONS
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Owner | 626 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Sep 2003 | 21 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Oct 2017 | Oct 2017 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
: |
|
| From this it's obvious the salary cap is impossible to police so scrap it allow clubs to pay what they want and if they then end up in administration they get demoted one division teams in the bottom division forfeit promotion for one season if they are wound up its start at the bottom again a club in the bottom division forfeits promotion for two years
NO EXCEPTIONS
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Board Member | 242 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Feb 2003 | 22 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2020 | Oct 2020 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
: |
|
| The reason this is a big story is the Dr said he was going to cheat the cap just like others do. He has obviously gone away and found out how this is done. That would indicate that this is common practise and it suits the player getting better wages so nothing is said. However if you operate this system and you terminate their contract you must pay off both element to avoid them "Telling tales". The players in some ways have the club by the balls.
The reason this is a big story is it has clear that there have been an attempt to disguise player payments to remain under the cap. The chances are this wasn't a newly created scam but one that is used in other clubs with money so could create waves for other clubs too.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Board Member | 242 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Feb 2003 | 22 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2020 | Oct 2020 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
: |
|
|
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 1353 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Apr 2009 | 16 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Mar 2018 | Mar 2018 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
A fool shows his annoyance at once, but a prudent man overlooks an insult”: |
|
| Rip salary cap........thank God it's dead
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Board Member | 242 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Feb 2003 | 22 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2020 | Oct 2020 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
: |
|
| Yeah now the Super league can just be like premier League is for football. Brilliant 4 club comp can't wait.
|
|
|
|
|
|