FORUMS FORUMS






RLFANS.COM
Celebrating
25 years service to
the Rugby League
Community!
  
FORUMS > The Virtual Terrace > Big RL story imminent?
121 posts in 9 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, Durham Giant , TimperleySaint
EHW
RankPostsTeam
Club Owner8627
JoinedServiceReputation
Nov 200321 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Feb 2020Feb 2020LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
users/saintsold.gif
Forever in Rented Accomodation:users/saintsold.gif



Quote: Angelic Cynic "If true it would also suggest that certain players knowingly and willingly participated in breaching the rules and those individual players should be punished accordingly.

With Puletua now retired,this may focus on a certain club in the north west.

Interesting times.

It's gotta be time for he return of Des.He has served most of his 8 yrs ban now,hasn't he?'"


again, I am not sure of the specifics of this case but there is nothing inherently wrong from the players perspective in having 2 contracts. The player is not responsible for any salary cap reporting, so he isn't to know whether the club is or is not reporting his earnings correctly.

He could have 10 different contracts for different aspects of his earnings and the club still be compliant with the cap if they are reporting it all correctly.

RankPostsTeam
Club Owner2874No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Feb 200421 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Aug 2024Aug 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
8762_1295775855.jpg
:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_8762.jpg



Quote: TheButcher "The case in question was thrown out of court a while ago. Not sure another RFL investigation is going to find anything different than a law court.'"


Despite what your glorious leader says, the case was not thrown out of court and he is being economical with the truth somewhat. Puletua took both Salford Red Devils and Euromatech Ltd to the tribunal over non-payment of his second contract with Euromatech which was intrinsically linked to his playing contract at Salford. He signed for Salford on the basis of an £80k playing contract with the club and a separate £50k contract for "consultancy services" with Euromatech. The tribunal found the club not guilty of owing Puletua money but also found that Euromatech did and they were ordered to pay him, something which Dear Leader neglects to mention.

RankPostsTeam
Club Coach5880No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 200520 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Oct 2024Oct 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
13517.jpg
:13517.jpg



Quote: Derwent "Despite what your glorious leader says, the case was not thrown out of court and he is being economical with the truth somewhat. Puletua took both Salford Red Devils and Euromatech Ltd to the tribunal over non-payment of his second contract with Euromatech which was intrinsically linked to his playing contract at Salford. He signed for Salford on the basis of an £80k playing contract with the club and a separate £50k contract for "consultancy services" with Euromatech. The tribunal found the club not guilty of owing Puletua money but also found that Euromatech did and they were ordered to pay him, something which Dear Leader neglects to mention.'"


If all of that is true (do you have a source for the info?) then that doesn't look too good from Salford's perspective.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach2024No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Sep 200915 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Jan 2022Jan 2022LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



It'll be of some interest to see how this develops, and any further implications it might have.

It's not too unusual for senior players to get involved with the coaching of junior teams, or even the "reserve team" at their current club, so if they had received additional payments for these activities, would that too count towards the cap?

If there is a clear seperation of duties, and it could be proved that someone did indeed have a seperate, functional and valid, consultancy role, in addition to their playing contract, then why would it be counted towards to cap? Of course if its just a smokescreen, then fair enough, count if towards the cap, and investigate the potential rule breech.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach5214No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Aug 200618 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Sep 2024Sep 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
27476.gif
:CROWN: I am the hash browns of rlfans :CROWN::27476.gif



Quote: shinymcshine "It'll be of some interest to see how this develops, and any further implications it might have.

It's not too unusual for senior players to get involved with the coaching of junior teams, or even the "reserve team" at their current club, so if they had received additional payments for these activities, would that too count towards the cap?

If there is a clear seperation of duties, and it could be proved that someone did indeed have a seperate, functional and valid, consultancy role, in addition to their playing contract, then why would it be counted towards to cap? Of course if its just a smokescreen, then fair enough, count if towards the cap, and investigate the potential rule breech.'"


There is no seperation, nor should there be. The reason why is abuse of the loophole - you'd end up in a situation whereby every single player had 2 defined, completely seperate "consultancy" roles in the club and paid £1 for his on field duties and £200k for working in the club shop once a year for an hour.

Rules with regards other functions at the club
Other Employees of the Club acting as Players
Where any employee of the Club (such as a coach or trainer) is selected to play for the Club in a Salary Cap Relevant Match during the Salary Cap Year, he shall immediately be considered to be a ‘Player’ for the remaining period of the Salary Cap Year (irrespective of his primary duties to the Club and/or whether he plays for the Club in any other Salary Cap Relevant Match during the remainder of the Salary Cap Year).
'"


RankPostsTeam
Club Captain973No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jul 20159 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Apr 2020Mar 2020LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

Wire Quin at work:



Quote: consultancy "There is no seperation, nor should there be. The reason why is abuse of the loophole - you'd end up in a situation whereby every single player had 2 defined, completely seperate "consultancy" roles in the club and paid £1 for his on field duties and £200k for working in the club shop once a year for an hour.'"


Not forgetting the missus working in the shop on £100K icon_wink.gif

RankPostsTeam
Club Captain973No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jul 20159 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Apr 2020Mar 2020LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

Wire Quin at work:



Just drop a paper bag in the Virgin isles to be picked up on there route home icon_wink.gif

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach15795
JoinedServiceReputation
Jun 200519 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Nov 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
16032_1698179828.jpg
"[color=#800080:2tf4iz4f]BOHICA[/color:2tf4iz4f]":d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_16032.jpg



I think the Dr has been taking salary cap management lessons from uncle Mo

RankPostsTeam
International Chairman6601No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Feb 200223 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Dec 2023Dec 2023LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
Black Backgrounds/Miss%20Piggy.gif
LIVING THE DREAM ALL THE WAY TO THE SUPER LEAGUE PLAY-OFFS! ''All our dreams can come true if we have the courage to pursue them'':Black Backgrounds/Miss%20Piggy.gif



Quote: Levrier "Conspiracy theory at its best. Koukash sells entire team to Leigh, Salford made to swap places with Leigh for coming season and the good doctor buys Leigh.'"



Insane, but you can have 10000/1 for that happenijng...

RankPostsTeam
Club Owner626No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Sep 200321 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Oct 2017Oct 2017LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



From this it's obvious the salary cap is impossible to police so scrap it allow clubs to pay what they want and if they then end up in administration they get demoted one division teams in the bottom division forfeit promotion for one season if they are wound up its start at the bottom again a club in the bottom division forfeits promotion for two years
NO EXCEPTIONS

RankPostsTeam
Club Owner626No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Sep 200321 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Oct 2017Oct 2017LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



From this it's obvious the salary cap is impossible to police so scrap it allow clubs to pay what they want and if they then end up in administration they get demoted one division teams in the bottom division forfeit promotion for one season if they are wound up its start at the bottom again a club in the bottom division forfeits promotion for two years
NO EXCEPTIONS

RankPostsTeam
International Board Member242No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Feb 200322 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2020Oct 2020LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



The reason this is a big story is the Dr said he was going to cheat the cap just like others do. He has obviously gone away and found out how this is done. That would indicate that this is common practise and it suits the player getting better wages so nothing is said. However if you operate this system and you terminate their contract you must pay off both element to avoid them "Telling tales". The players in some ways have the club by the balls.

The reason this is a big story is it has clear that there have been an attempt to disguise player payments to remain under the cap. The chances are this wasn't a newly created scam but one that is used in other clubs with money so could create waves for other clubs too.

RankPostsTeam
International Board Member242No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Feb 200322 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2020Oct 2020LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:





RankPostsTeam
Player Coach1353No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Apr 200916 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Mar 2018Mar 2018LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

A fool shows his annoyance at once, but a prudent man overlooks an insult”:



Rip salary cap........thank God it's dead

RankPostsTeam
International Board Member242No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Feb 200322 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2020Oct 2020LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



Yeah now the Super league can just be like premier League is for football. Brilliant 4 club comp can't wait.

121 posts in 9 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, Durham Giant , TimperleySaint
121 posts in 9 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, Durham Giant , TimperleySaint



All views expressed are those of the author and not necessarily those of the RLFANS.COM or its subsites.

Whilst every effort is made to ensure that news stories, articles and images are correct, we cannot be held responsible for errors. However, if you feel any material on this website is copyrighted or incorrect in any way please contact us using the link at the top of the page so we can remove it or negotiate copyright permission.

RLFANS.COM, the owners of this website, is not responsible for the content of its sub-sites or posts, please email the author of this sub-site or post if you feel you find an article offensive or of a choice nature that you disagree with.

Copyright 1999 - 2024 RLFANS.COM

You must be 18+ to gamble, for more information and for help with gambling issues see https://www.begambleaware.org/.



Please Support RLFANS.COM


5.0263671875:5
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
4m
Film game
karetaker
5633
5m
Shopping list for 2025
Chris71
5574
18m
2025 Betfred Super League Fixtures
homerjsimpso
14
48m
2024
Butcher
5
53m
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
tad rhino
2593
54m
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
Sebasteeno
4015
54m
Leeds away first up
Butcher
41
Recent
Dons Squad 2025
Jemmo
13
Recent
2025 Recruitment
Pyrah123
195
Recent
Castleford sack Lingard
FIL
8
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
1m
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
40731
2m
2025 Betfred Super League Fixtures
homerjsimpso
14
2m
Castleford sack Lingard
FIL
8
2m
TV Games - Not Hull
UllFC
3080
2m
Fixtures 2025
UllFC
65
2m
2025 Betfred Super League Fixtures
Stu M
14
3m
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
tad rhino
2593
3m
Rumours and signings v9
NickyKiss
28895
3m
Assistant Coach - Langley
exiledrhino
30
3m
Dons Squad 2025
Jemmo
13
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
2024
Butcher
5
TODAY
Dan Norman Retires
Cokey
1
TODAY
How many games will we win
Butcher
5
TODAY
Leigh Leopards - 2025 Fixtures
ColD
2
TODAY
Catalan Away
jonh
5
TODAY
2025 Betfred Super League Fixtures
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
2025 fixtures
Smiffy27
15
TODAY
Fixtures
Willzay
13
TODAY
Salford
rubber ducki
12
TODAY
WCC Off
Choc Ice
11
TODAY
Leeds away first up
Butcher
41
TODAY
Jake McLoughlin
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Assistant Coach - Langley
exiledrhino
30
TODAY
Noah Booth out on loan
Butcher
20
TODAY
Luke Gale testimonial match
BarnsleyGull
2
TODAY
England 5 - 0 Ireland
Sadfish
1
TODAY
Magic Weekend 2025 - Back To Newcastle
RLFANS News
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
2025 Betfred Super League Fixt..
409
Magic Weekend 2025 - Back To N..
525
England Beat Samoa To Take Tes..
1266
England's Women Demolish The W..
1090
England Beat Samoa Comfortably..
1329
Operational Rules Tribunal –..
1124
IMG-RFL club gradings released..
1384
Wakefield Trinity Win Champion..
1923
Hunslet Secure Promotion After..
2141
Trinity Into Play Off Final Af..
2379
Wigan Warriors Crowned Champio..
1954
York Valkyrie Win Back to Back..
2191
Hunslet Book Relegation Play O..
2655
Penrith Panthers Secure Fourth..
2086
Wigan Humiliate Leigh For Gran..
2159