as i said, from the games i've seen, carney has been better than burgess, i know burgess is the new darling etc but carney has impressed me more when i've seen him.

must be me?but i don't get the fuss over williams, he's done ok in the games i've seen but nothing more than many half backs, sure he's a talented player, but i just haven't seen him have many very good games where he has impressed me.

Ye it's hard to like a player when you don't like the club he plays for..

McGuire must have had a good season, I think you're the second Wigan fan to pick him

I hate these threads as it's hard to be objective. Only natural when you see your team play every other week and other teams twice.

I can only put two names in from Saints: James Roby and Alex Walmsley.

Roby is in a different class and is one of the few genuine world class players in this competition. You only have to see his contribution every week to see how vital he is to the team. Those that think he's just a scooting hooker or someone who can only play off quick play the balls are not watching him close enough. His all round game is fantastic.

Walmsley has carried the saints pack this year and has been unbelievable. Made the most meters this season and he still can only get better. Should be on the bench for England this autumn.

Hardaker
Burgess
Watkins
Shenton
McGillvray
Brough
Kelly
Peacock
Aiton
Millington
Whitehead
Minichiello
Cuthbertson

To avoid the inevitable (unintentional) bias and as I can't think of any standout players that haven't already been mentioned, I'll only comment on leeds players...

Dead certs: Hardaker, Watkins, Cuthbo (at 13?)

Arguable: McGuire, Ward, JP, Moon

Honourable mentions: Aiton (Roby probably edged it even before aitons injury), Briscoe (has been outstanding but missed too large a chunk of the season), Hall (his consistency makes him easy to overlook, also its hard to overstate how important the early tacklecount work of the Leeds back 3 is in how they play).

I would also say Ward should be in the mix for young player of the year. He's only 21 but having been in and around the first team for several years (hampered by injuries) is easy to overlook and is playing like a senior pro this season.

Hardaker
McGilivary
Watkins
Moon
Burgess
Williams
McGuire
Hill
Roby
Watts
Taia
Minichiello
Cuthbertson

where have i said i don't like him or indeed his club? get over yourself

Anyone suggesting Tom Lineham clearly hasn't seen him play this year. He's had a couple of good games at best. Been lazy in defence and took time to get some consistency in attack.

Only Hull player worth a mention in Minichiello. I'd say Ellis, but he's spent a lot of time on the sidelines this year.