Your lack of logic is impeccable.

I said that the good recruitment at Catalans and Hulll KR will enable the super stars Todd Carney and Albert Kelly to weave their magic.

But good recruitment without super stars does not entail the same level of success as good recruitment with super stars, esp when it comes to winning silverware.

Salford has several very good players, especially Kevin Locke, Benjamin Jones-Bishop, Junior Sau, Mason Caton-Brown, Rangi Chase, Michael Dobson, Lama Tasi and Theodore Fages, but no super star.

That suggests that Salford has a good chance of making the top eight, but not of winning silverware.

I think Widnes punched above their weight last year and I'd be surprised if they made the eight again. But that statement is just silly. If they were that bad they wouldn't have got anywhere near where they did last year. Even if it was just a one off.

St Helens' back row will hold them back ? Who makes this kind of stuff up ? They've replaced Soliola with a player who made more metres, more carries, more busts and more offloads than Soliola whilst playing for London Broncos. Macarthy-Scarsbrook will revert to playing in the second row this year rather than an extra prop as well, which then leaves them with Jon Wilkin, Luke Thompson, who is an absolute diamond, Flanagan, Greenwood, Josh Jones and other seriously high prospects such as Savelio.

Sick of reading such utter bull from Wiganers that can't see beyond the end of their own nose. A scumbag club, dangerously close to the financial abyss and relying on grub tactics to compete. This lot still don't even know who their standoff will be next season whilst St Helens have signed arguably the best in the comp. Their pack got smashed so severely at Old Trafford that they relied on outside backs to gain territory, so concerned were they with taking Saints on up the middle of the field.

Despite this, the top two will be St Helens and Wigan by a distance. If Wigan can manage to keep 13 players on a field and actually play rugby as opposed to some hybrid sport involving rugby and assault, they may even give St Helens a game when it comes to big games, despite Saints' so obviously weak back row All this from a side that seriously runs with Gelling in the centre and Bowen at full back.

The rest are just making the numbers up. Not interested in where they finish.

Todd Carney is no super star mate, neither is Albert Kelly both good players nothing more, Carney couldn't weave his magic to help cronulla so why would he with catalans? In fact I'd go to say chase and locke are both of higher ilk than both of those players, Salford eased passed Catalans at home this year Salford are very much on the rise and tbh no one player will make a difference as we well know with Salford at the start of the year it's playing as a team and working hard that we Salford fans saw at the end of the year.

Carney was banned for half the season. The club was missing most of their pack for half the season as well. How could he weave his magic to save the club? The team had been decimated before he was sacked.

A lot of people writing us off already. What's all this about punching above our weight ? It's the worst excuse you can use because you can't think or back your argument up with any evidence. Lazy

We finished 8th for a reason, never once were we out of the payoffs in the regular season.
Hull? A lot of people assume they will be in the top 8? On what basis. They were woeful last season and with a couple of signings I can't see much changing.

Castleford will be interesting. Losing the likes of Clark, Sneyd and Huby and replacing them with Scott Moore and Luke Gale may have a huge effect on them.

Saints
Wire
Wigan
Leeds
Catalans
Huddersfield
Widnes
Salford

Castleford
Hull KR
Hull FC
Wakefield

You were very good last year. I thought you would fade away but you kept pushing on and then competed well in the playoff game. You consistently won the games you were expected to win and caused a few upsets along the way. I can't take that away from you. But I think Salford, Hull and Rovers are all better teams, despite how poor they were last year.

I said I wouldn't make predictions but if I was pressed I would go:

Warrington
Saints
Wigan
Catalans
Hudds
Leeds
Hull
Salford
Hull KR
Cas
Widnes
Wakefield

The surprise team this season will be Leeds who won't finish in the top eight. No danger of relegation, they will easily be the best team in the middle eight.

Same as last season (loiner 81) wet sponges if I'm wrong.

Do you want to re post that in English?

1 or 2 in the top 8 will have nothing to play for as they will be too far away from the top 4
1 or 2 will be far too good for the middle 8 so will cruise through it, qualifying very quickly and having nothing to play for.
1 or 2 will be not good enough for the middle 8 so will lose games and almost immediately have nothing to play for.

5 or 6 in the bottom 12 (who don't qualify and become the bottom 8 ) will have carried their points over and will be miles away from relegation and as such have nothing to play for. so 10-12 of the 24 will have nothing to play for very early in the season, and of the other 12, 2 will be playing teams from a lower league and so would likely see a lower attendance anyway.

All the 8th to bottom 4 predictions Salford are getting on here makes me smile. If Harris had been appointed at the start of last season we would have been in the top 8 last season. For those of you who are basing our next season's position on a historic Salford basis rather than facts, have a look at our squad.. www.thereddevils.net/the-devils/

All the 8th to bottom 4 predictions Salford are getting on here makes me smile. If Harris had been appointed at the start of last season we would have been in the top 8 last season. For those of you who are basing our next season's position on a historic Salford basis rather than facts, have a look at our squad.. www.thereddevils.net/the-devils/

What about the year before? Why wasnt Carney a mainstay in the aussie side if he was a super star as you label him he would of been heading the origin and national teams?

Plus making excuses for cronulla, have a look at Salfords injuries at the start of this year Chase played 30 mins of the first game and was injured and out for 6 weeks hock was injured in the 2nd game and out for 8 weeks Junior Sau Shannon McPhearson Danny Williams Martin Gleeson all out. We didn't use that as an excuse you just get on with it.