I'm delighted for saints (especially after the flower incident) but most of all for Wellens, what a servant to the Saints and the game.

Also as a Leeds fan, I have sort of felt sorry for saints at grand finals

Saints fans (and every other RL fan, judging from this board ) should actually be thanking Flower.

Judging from that game if Wigan had been at full strength Saints wouldn't have stood a chance. They offered little in attack and only just overcame Wigan's 12 men, who were the better team, throwing the ball around more and playing the better rugby, but being a man down was a hurdle too far against strong defence. Still, fair play, Saints won with key players missing, they ground it out and can call themselves Champions.

Poorest SL Champions ever? Not sure I can think of anyone else worthy of that title.

Stupid from Flower. Rash first punch, truly disgraceful second punch. Rightfully a long ban and hefty fine coming his way. I feel for the lad, he's been outstanding all year and tonight was out of character, but a that doesn't excuse punching a prone man. Watching it again I even think he knows it as he throws it; he hesitates and it's more of a jab than a full-blooded haymaker, but the red mist still won him over and he'll pay his dues.

While we're discussing 'stupid' let me just mention McCarthy-Scarsbrook. Actually embarrassed for him. Not that he'll care right now of course.

pleased for them and pleased for nathan brown.
it was supposed to be the most one sided final in the history of rugby league and saints, although i thought they looked clueless in the first half just had enough to come through.
wigan played well enough but saints wanted it so much more i thought.
SKY kept banging on about how amazing and incredible wigan were and how they showed spirit etc, well i thought saints showed as much, if not more, wigan had 2 very good half backs out there, saints had a veteran full back and 2nd rower... but SKY failed to give any credit to saints until the last 5 minutes, in fact it was phil clarke who stood up for saints when hemmings and stevo were waxing lyrical about wigan.

i admire what wigan have done and wane gets the best out of his players without doubt, but you can't help but dislike parts of their game, i wonder if wane will regret his words pre match when he said "they will do whatever it takes to win the game", it seems using acts of thuggery to take out their opponents only recognised half back is what it needed but failed.

a good intense game though and many congratulations to st helens!

i actually laughed when LMS did that, good on him, serves them right interviewing an emotional pumped up bloke minutes after experiencing winning a big final for the first time.

did i hear stevo say at one point that wigan were hampered by mcilorum not playing and that it would have made a big difference, nothing like taking away from saints' efforts is there?

And what if Saints had been at full strength?

Wigan - worst Grand Finalists ever? couldn't even beat a team playing with no recognised halves for 77 minutes.

Flower has been our best prop all year. He's taken down and run through plenty of big men, he was a big loss for us, especially as you say with your big men coming at us.

IMO, a bigger loss than Hohaia, who've I've always seen as error prone both in attack and defence, and I've seen slated to this effect on the Saints board by Saints fans many times. If anything Saints are a steadier and more consistent side without him. Walsh, on the other hand, has been a big loss for you all year.

And I didn't say you were 'poor', but that I can't think of a poorer team to win the Grand Final. Clearly, still a strong side and a tough defence to break down, especially with 12 men. However, if you can name me a worse 'Champion' side, I'll retract.

Hohaia's not great, but he's all we had left and has contributed greatly this year when we've needed him.

Flower wouldn't have made a difference against the Saints tonight. It went the same way a many "ugly" games this year that we've won. On those occasions Saints turn up with the right resolve and the big men do the rest. That's why we took home the LLS too, beating all the big teams on the way.
Top of the league and GF winners. If we're not worthy, someone should really have stopped us somewhere along the way.

Saints - No Wilkin, No Hohia, No Lomax, No Walsh and apparently no chance.

Wigin - No trophy!!

the most one sided final in the modern era it was going to be- very disappointed that it wasn't