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Quote: blackpoolwigan "Love Rugby League's "5 things this week" article described Ben Thaler as the in form ref in SL.

Just wondering what people think about this really.

From my point of view he has been the best ref this year, not singularly because he is brilliant at spotting everything etc etc (they all make mistakes) but more to how he lets a game flow, and how he communicates with the players. When I see the ref appointments for the games on Sky I am always happy to see him in charge, because generally the game will run smoothly, and he has good banter at times.

I know Leeds fans wont be his number one fans at the moment, and I could be accused of just liking him for being in charge of a game we won, but I truly think he helps the games flow better, and I would think that if we had lost on Saturday.

So, thoughts, and if you dont agree who would you say is better and why?'"



I am a Leeds fan, and I have thought Thaler the best referee in the UK for the past three years. And not even close, he is miles ahead of everyone else. We have lost a few with him, but I still find him consistent, approachable for players, no ego, and try's to let the game flow where he can.

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The best ref at the moment?

Given there's no games on right now, they're all pretty decent as referees.

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Quote: Michael_Ward "The best ref at the moment?

Given there's no games on right now, they're all pretty decent as referees.'"



Despite this, Hicks is still blowing up for a knock on, and Bentham's asking the video ref to check what his Mrs is making for tea.

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Worse ref Thaler for me. Probably best ref for teams he likes.

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Quote: dencom "Comments with a bias!!!



The number of forward passes are an embarrassment particularly when a try resullts. The comment repeated by Cummings a few weeks ago that you cant test for a forward pass because of difficult camera angles I feel is nonsense. As we have seen a virtual line across the screen/pitch to test for offside at a kick I am sure forwards can be dealt with in the same way! I dont subscribe to the argument that the are too may time delaying decisions by video - we need accurate decisions. Maybe Captains call should be allowed when a suspected forward pass results in a try.

I wonder are touchjudges told not to offer the ref assistance in certain circumstances?'"


Just to point something out on this, a kick downfield is going with the direction and momentum it gains from the kick, a pass is by and large passed backwards but the ball starts with the travelling speed of the player who passes it and will slow down its forward motion as it travels through the air.

Imagine driving a car into a wall at 60MPH. The car comes to a dead stop (0MPH) whilst you exit through the front window of the car as you are still travelling at 60MPH. You decide as the car hits the wall to try and drive into the back seat but when the car hits the wall what speed do you think you are travelling at? Still 60MPH in a forward direction despite jumping backwards.

That my friend is velocity and deceleration in action. You can't use a static line to judge a forward pass, you have to look at the direction of the hands. the direction the player was running prior to the pass and of the pass.

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Maybe they should bring in the old Sunday league rule of one sub from each side reffing a half each. The penalty counts would even themselves up after half time...oh wait there...

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The Video refs have already made use of a "virtual" line across the screen/pitch, this line being at right angle to the touch lines, for the purpose of determining off side at a kick.

Using the same "virtual" line by the video refs will certainly help to determine whether the ball has left the passers hands in a forward direction - if the ball crosses the line it is a forward and momentum would not be a concern. It is certainly worth using the system where a try is scored following a possible forward pass.

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Quote: dencom "The Video refs have already made use of a "virtual" line across the screen/pitch, this line being at right angle to the touch lines, for the purpose of determining off side at a kick.

Using the same "virtual" line by the video refs will certainly help to determine whether the ball has left the passers hands in a forward direction - if the ball crosses the line it is a forward and momentum would not be a concern. It is certainly worth using the system where a try is scored following a possible forward pass.'"

For that to work the virtual line couldn't be a static one like that used for offside. It would need to be a moving one. One moving in the same direction and speed as the ball was immediately prior to the ball leaving the hands of the passer.

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Quote: dencom "The Video refs have already made use of a "virtual" line across the screen/pitch, this line being at right angle to the touch lines, for the purpose of determining off side at a kick.

Using the same "virtual" line by the video refs will certainly help to determine whether the ball has left the passers hands in a forward direction - if the ball crosses the line it is a forward and momentum would not be a concern. It is certainly worth using the system where a try is scored following a possible forward pass.'"

But the pitch is a 2d area.

When looking at passes, any change in altitude resulting from the pass can cause confusion.

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The best ref is the one that is reffing someone else's match.

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