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Quote: fevfan76 "lol yeah leads are doing well and so is the fev contingent leeds dont have an average crowd of 18000. While on the subject of population then Fevs attendance per population is miles better than leeds
Do they also pay the extra to make up the difference which is the only way an average would matter? don't think so.

Widnes was worthy of it and the past 2 seasons prove it, they have the structure for super league majority of championship clubs don't. Any club can be made into a decent team.

Yes and those clubs that wasn't well managed should have lost the license and been replaced correctly, it was the RFL that failed not franchising but they made the right decision in choosing Widnes.

Fev could be better than Leigh all season and if Leigh finish 2nd and fev 1st it then matter who signs the best of an average bunch because 3 months isn't long enough.

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22/03/2013 Get LEIGH outta wigan:



Several clubs failed in the short period that we had a licensed league,twist and squirm all you want,thats whats happened.

If bradford & Wakefield had been relegated out of the licensed league when they went into"what should have been"unacceptable financial meltdown,we would still have licensing now.

Instead we now have the same clubs being given 400k from the 2017 tv deal just to prop them up some more

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Neither Bradford nor Wakefield have finished in a relegation place

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Ah I thought this had all been put to bed months ago.

I see it was just a matter of the protesters bidding their time.

I know why don't we let the SL chairmen vote on it!!!!!

Oh they did?

Well lets dump the democratic idea and have one overlord to make all the decisions, what they had that too years ago and dumped that idea.

I dunno, people wanting to make up their own minds, it will never work.

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22/03/2013 Get LEIGH outta wigan:



Quote: SmokeyTA "Neither Bradford nor Wakefield have finished in a relegation place'"


So what

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Quote: j.c "So what'"

So P+R would have neither solved nor addressed the situations at Bradford or Wakefield, The system we have in place is irrelevant to their failure which was solely down to bad management.

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It worked for my club. It allowed us to spend money on our ground and our jnr system rather than spending it all on first team for fear of relegation.

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Quote: SmokeyTA "So P+R would have neither solved nor addressed the situations at Bradford or Wakefield, The system we have in place is irrelevant to their failure which was solely down to bad management.'"


Why you talking to me about P&R.
I said two clubs bradford and wakefield should have been relegated out of the licensed league when they went into administration
Its irrelavent to me whether clubs replaced them or not

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Quote: j.c "Why you talking to me about P&R.
I said two clubs bradford and wakefield should have been relegated out of the licensed league when they went into administration
Its irrelavent to me whether clubs replaced them or not'"

Im saying that whatever system we have, the issues at Bradford and Wakefield would be apparent, and they wouldnt have been solved by simply relegating them.

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Quote: fevfan76 "lol yeah leads are doing well and so is the fev contingent leeds dont have an average crowd of 18000. While on the subject of population then Fevs attendance per population is miles better than leeds
Don’t take any notice fevfan. And don’t let him tell you Leeds is well managed....

Leeds has, relatively speaking, been a let down to the game of RL. With its potential in the game, Leeds Rhinos should now have a ground with a bigger capacity, better facilities and a bigger average crowd.

It was said above that the Leeds team owns its own ground. But he told us previously that Headingley is owned by a guy called Paul Caddick. A guy whose first love is RU. He runs a pro RU club out of Headingley. And I guess you don’t need a bigger ground for that!

We were also told that Leeds Rhinos makes a profit of about £600k a year. They shouldn’t do that – they should spend that money on developing Leeds Rhinos – and just aim to break even each year. Note though, that in the RFL rules, Leeds Rhinos is the only member club that’s listed has having TWO owning companies – Leeds Cricket, Football and Athletic Club Ltd and Leeds Rugby Ltd!! I hope the £600k a year that rugby league is said to make isn’t siphoned off to help prop up Leeds’ RU club!

Franchising all but killed off the game in the pyramid below the top 8 clubs. Amazingly though, there are still some strong clubs in the 2nd tier. Once the new structure is up and running, just watch the whole game go year on year!

Leeds should jack in the RU distraction and concentrate on rugby league like Featherstone (a club that really does own its own ground) does.

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Quote: Wooden Stand "Don’t take any notice fevfan. And don’t let him tell you Leeds is well managed....

Leeds has, relatively speaking, been a let down to the game of RL. With its potential in the game, Leeds Rhinos should now have a ground with a bigger capacity, better facilities and a bigger average crowd.

It was said above that the Leeds team owns its own ground. But he told us previously that Headingley is owned by a guy called Paul Caddick. A guy whose first love is RU. He runs a pro RU club out of Headingley. And I guess you don’t need a bigger ground for that!

We were also told that Leeds Rhinos makes a profit of about £600k a year. They shouldn’t do that – they should spend that money on developing Leeds Rhinos – and just aim to break even each year. Note though, that in the RFL rules, Leeds Rhinos is the only member club that’s listed has having TWO owning companies – Leeds Cricket, Football and Athletic Club Ltd and Leeds Rugby Ltd!! I hope the £600k a year that rugby league is said to make isn’t siphoned off to help prop up Leeds’ RU club!

Franchising all but killed off the game in the pyramid below the top 8 clubs. Amazingly though, there are still some strong clubs in the 2nd tier. Once the new structure is up and running, just watch the whole game go year on year!

Leeds should jack in the RU distraction and concentrate on rugby league like Featherstone (a club that really does own its own ground) does.'"


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Quote: Wooden Stand "Don’t take any notice fevfan. And don’t let him tell you Leeds is well managed....

Leeds has, relatively speaking, been a let down to the game of RL. With its potential in the game, Leeds Rhinos should now have a ground with a bigger capacity, better facilities and a bigger average crowd.

It was said above that the Leeds team owns its own ground. But he told us previously that Headingley is owned by a guy called Paul Caddick. A guy whose first love is RU. He runs a pro RU club out of Headingley. And I guess you don’t need a bigger ground for that!

We were also told that Leeds Rhinos makes a profit of about £600k a year. They shouldn’t do that – they should spend that money on developing Leeds Rhinos – and just aim to break even each year. Note though, that in the RFL rules, Leeds Rhinos is the only member club that’s listed has having TWO owning companies – Leeds Cricket, Football and Athletic Club Ltd and Leeds Rugby Ltd!! I hope the £600k a year that rugby league is said to make isn’t siphoned off to help prop up Leeds’ RU club!

Franchising all but killed off the game in the pyramid below the top 8 clubs. Amazingly though, there are still some strong clubs in the 2nd tier. Once the new structure is up and running, just watch the whole game go year on year!

Leeds should jack in the RU distraction and concentrate on rugby league like Featherstone (a club that really does own its own ground) does.'"

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What makes me laugh is how certain fans of SL teams on here keep contradicting themselves. They claim the licensing system was good because teams could come up and build steady without having to worry about relegation.

Yet say its wrong that championship team in the new structure if promoted shouldn't just look to build gradually and build a team int he first season capable of remaining int he top four of the 8 after the split.

There's no difference to me other than the team getting promoted has actually already got a team capable of competing with the bottom half of SL because they have just proved it. rather than a team with a rich backer and nice rented ground getting promoted from sixth place.

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its not that said team shouldnt build gradually, its more that they cant. Its also that it means that the money the promoted team receives has to go straight in to the first team, every thing else, for ever more takes a clear 2nd place.

Featherstone have many hurdles to overcome before being anywhere near sustainable and competitive in SL. Their academy, their stadium, their fan base, the commercial and merchandising operation would all need massive improvements. It is infinitely more difficult for them to do that when the focus of the club is entirely on not finishing in the bottom 4.

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Quote: SmokeyTA "its not that said team shouldnt build gradually, its more that they cant.'"


of course they can. teams can theoretically go from 100k to 550k to 1.8m funding, seems more gradual than 100k to 1.2m as before. It's all up to the people running clubs, not the structure

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