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| Quote: SmokeyTA "We would have Leeds (1st) .'"
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "That’s what we are getting next year, and over the next five years(every other year) as kind of a tester, but i agree i think it needs to be in october/november. I think if it is well attended and well viewed then we would go for a proper tournament. If there was the will it could be fitted in.
my way of fitting it in would be to play it in whichever country is hosting the international tournament that year. Move the end of the season back one week and Beginning the week after the GF’s (which should be played the same weekend) in 2011 for instance the NRL GF was the 2nd of Oct and the 4 nations started the 28th of Oct. So move that back a week and it is played 25th of Sept, Melbourne and Brisbane could fly to the UK 18th of Sept. Nz and Manly would fly to the uk 27th Sept. Split in to two groups where you only play the 2 overseas sides.
1st Oct We would have Leeds (1st) V Brisbane (4th), St’s(2nd) v Melbourne(3rd) Melbourne and Brisbane having been in the UK 2 weeks at this point.
7th Oct We would have Warrington (3rd) v NZ (2nd) and Wigan (4th) Manly (1st) NZ and Manly having been in the Uk 2 weeks at this point
15th a super weekend with 2 double headers with the fixtures reversed. So Leeds v Melbourne, Sts v Brisbane. And Wire Manly, Wigan NZ.
Top two in each group go through to semi finals played on 22nd and 23rd.
Final on the 29th
4 Nations begins one week later on the 5th Nov. Fits in 11 extra games, but a maximum of 4 per club and only extends the season by a week.'"
I really don't think you could fit both an extended WCC and a full international tournament, not properly anyway. I'd work on a 5 year cycle where the 5th year is the WCC, after a WC year. I know the development of international RL is important but as long as we only have 3 competitive international teams the end of season competions become stale IMO, plus there would be plenty of interest in a WCC in both hemispheres.
In terms of structure, I'd make it so each SL team played each NRL team once, followed by semi finals and a final. Something like:
NRL 1 – NRL Champions (Pool A)
NRL 2 – NRL Runner Up (Pool B)
NRL 3 – Minor Premiers (A)
NRL 4 – Next-Highest League Position (B)
SL 1 – Super League Champions (B)
SL 2 – Super League Runner Up (A)
SL 3 – League Leaders (B)
SL 4 – Challenge Cup Winners (A)
(Next-Highest League Position if a team qualifies via multiple criteria)
Week 1
• SL1 v NRL1/ SL2 v NRL2/ SL3 v NRL3/ SL4 v NRL4
Week 2
• SL1 v NRL2/ SL2 v NRL3/ SL3 v NRL4/ SL4 v NRL1
Week 3
• SL1 v NRL3/ SL2 v NRL4/ SL3 v NRL 1/ SL4 v NRL2
Week 4
• SL1 v NRL 4/ SL2 v NRL1/ SL3 v NRL2/ SL4 v NRL3
Week 5
• Winner Pool A v Runner Up Pool B
• Winner Pool B v Runner Up Pool A
Week 6
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I agree it should replace the internationals on alternate years
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| Quote: WARRIORCRAIG "I really don't think you could fit both an extended WCC and a full international tournament, not properly anyway. I'd work on a 5 year cycle where the 5th year is the WCC, after a WC year. I know the development of international RL is important but as long as we only have 3 competitive international teams the end of season competions become stale IMO, plus there would be plenty of interest in a WCC in both hemispheres.
In terms of structure, I'd make it so each SL team played each NRL team once, followed by semi finals and a final. Something like
It needs to be every year. It just wouldn’t work otherwise. It needs the continuity. Every 5 years it is too easily forgotten about and we would spend for too much time, effort and money trying to regain the ground lost over the previous 5 years. It also loses some of its legitimacy as it doesn’t have that ‘lineal’ champion as those 8 teams are look pretty arbitrary when there were 4 years the same 8 didn’t play. If it is to be done with any real commitment it needs to be done every year and be our champions league.
With regards to internationals, I see no reason they cant be played straight after. It gives nice continuity in my opinion as well as a bit of an added storyline (imagine a few of the leeds players and Manly players going at it in the final, a week later They are lining up against each other as England and Australia players. Conversely (and it is much more likely with England) Say Wigan play Canterbury Graham and O’loughlin have a bit of a pop. A week Later they are lining up with each other)
With regards to player burn out which is always a consideration in these types of conversations, I think there is a good and easy answer to it. Clubs can play as many games as they want, it’s the players who get burnt out. So we limit the amount of games a player can play. If we have a 29 game regular season. Each player can play a maximum of 24 league games, and a total of 40 club games at most in a year including cups, play-offs and WCC. We would need a higher cap and bigger squads but more teams, playing more games and an added issue for the coaches to deal with as well as an added level of uncertainty in results.
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "It needs to be every year. It just wouldn’t work otherwise. It needs the continuity. Every 5 years it is too easily forgotten about and we would spend for too much time, effort and money trying to regain the ground lost over the previous 5 years. It also loses some of its legitimacy as it doesn’t have that ‘lineal’ champion as those 8 teams are look pretty arbitrary when there were 4 years the same 8 didn’t play. If it is to be done with any real commitment it needs to be done every year and be our champions league.
With regards to internationals, I see no reason they cant be played straight after. It gives nice continuity in my opinion as well as a bit of an added storyline (imagine a few of the leeds players and Manly players going at it in the final, a week later They are lining up against each other as England and Australia players. Conversely (and it is much more likely with England) Say Wigan play Canterbury Graham and O’loughlin have a bit of a pop. A week Later they are lining up with each other)
With regards to player burn out which is always a consideration in these types of conversations, I think there is a good and easy answer to it. Clubs can play as many games as they want, it’s the players who get burnt out. So we limit the amount of games a player can play. If we have a 29 game regular season. Each player can play a maximum of 24 league games, and a total of 40 club games at most in a year including cups, play-offs and WCC. We would need a higher cap and bigger squads but more teams, playing more games and an added issue for the coaches to deal with as well as an added level of uncertainty in results.'"
thats not a bad idea, after all the players get paid alot for playing rugby, 40 games or so a year isnt too much! |
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "It needs to be every year. It just wouldn’t work otherwise. It needs the continuity. Every 5 years it is too easily forgotten about and we would spend for too much time, effort and money trying to regain the ground lost over the previous 5 years. It also loses some of its legitimacy as it doesn’t have that ‘lineal’ champion as those 8 teams are look pretty arbitrary when there were 4 years the same 8 didn’t play. If it is to be done with any real commitment it needs to be done every year and be our champions league.
With regards to internationals, I see no reason they cant be played straight after. It gives nice continuity in my opinion as well as a bit of an added storyline (imagine a few of the leeds players and Manly players going at it in the final, a week later They are lining up against each other as England and Australia players. Conversely (and it is much more likely with England) Say Wigan play Canterbury Graham and O’loughlin have a bit of a pop. A week Later they are lining up with each other)
With regards to player burn out which is always a consideration in these types of conversations, I think there is a good and easy answer to it. Clubs can play as many games as they want, it’s the players who get burnt out. So we limit the amount of games a player can play. If we have a 29 game regular season. Each player can play a maximum of 24 league games, and a total of 40 club games at most in a year including cups, play-offs and WCC. We would need a higher cap and bigger squads but more teams, playing more games and an added issue for the coaches to deal with as well as an added level of uncertainty in results.'"
I'd stick to the current format of a one-off game between SL champions and NRL champions in the interim years, alternating between the UK and Aus. I'd also like this moved to the end of the season so it is played with the actual title winning squads, and doesn't interfere with the regular season. An extended competition would be a much more special event if it was played every 5 years, annually would eventually kill the interest IMO. The next 10 years could look something like:
2014 – 4 Nations (Southern Hemisphere)
2015 – GB Tour Australia
2016 – NZ Tour GB
2017 – World Cup (SH)
2018 – 8 Team WCC (NH)
2019 – 4 Nations (NH)
2020 – GB Tour NZ
2021 – Australia Tour GB
2022 – World Cup (NH)
2023 – 8 Team WCC (SH)
Keeping the end of season tournaments fresh. The main issue is giving the teams not involved in the tours competitve games. It could be 2 4N per cycle rather than 2 tours to overcome this.
Not really sure how back-to-back competitions give continuity? If anything I'd say it's the opposite, as the international squad can't get together until a lot later and would go in to the competition under prepared. Having limits on how many games players can play is a complete non-starter. It's up to the coaching staff, doctors/physios and the players themselves to decide who is fit and when they can play, not some arbitrary rule that is is enforced by the governing body. |
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international squads could for the most part get together at roughly the same time. It is only the international players playing in the final who would have less than two weeks.
There is no reason we can't enforce a limit. Players argue they play too many games, clubs argue they need games for financial reasons. There is only one solution. Clubs play more games, players play less. To protect the players from pressure to play too many games from their club. Make it a rule and the players and the decision is neither the players nor the clubs. They are protected.
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It'd be fantastic if Wigan could win though, I'll also have the disinfectant ready for the final whistle when I'll stop being a Wiganer. 
I shall, in the finest Wigan tradition, continue to eat pies though. |
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| Quote: Him "Sydney 22
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It'd be fantastic if Wigan could win though, I'll also have the disinfectant ready for the final whistle when I'll stop being a Wiganer. ![]()
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| Quote: WARRIORCRAIG "Don't forget to stop watching and walk out of the room 10 minutes from the end ![]()
No I'd be worried about becoming too much like a Wiganer, I'd be finding myself curiously drawn to rosettes and huge flags, I might never mind my way back. Like an undercover cop in the mob who ends up becoming one of them. Or like Danny Dyer or Ray Winstone, they've been playing complete pillocks for so long they've become one.
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[quote="dally messenger":1gysl9ow]was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have[/quote:1gysl9ow]
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| Quote: Arthur Warrior "www.wiganwarriors.com/WContent.aspx?id
700 tickets sold in the Wigan section does not = 700 travelling from WIgan. Mate of mine is flying over from Auckland in a group of ex-pat wigganers.....I'd hazard a guess that there are a few wiganners living in Australia that will be keen to attend too.
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 . seriously? they reckon over 1k of wigan supporters will be there in sydney and you still try to find a way to put a negative spin on it.
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[quote="dally messenger":1gysl9ow]was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have[/quote:1gysl9ow]
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Seriously, you believe nearly 1000 are travelling over? Spin is the art of implying something but not actually saying it......re-read that release and tell me where it says the 700 seats sold......and rember, they are only available from one place, were actually sold to people in Wigan?
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