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| Quote: salford1970 "England, Australia, South Africa, New Zealand.
Sum total of winners in the Rah Rah's entire history of its world cup, with far more teams
RUWC 2015 winners will come from New Zealand, Australia or South Africa.
Hmmmm, three teams have a chance of winning. Bigger sport than us, you would expect others could win.'"
Not this Australia team....so really NZ or SA.
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| Quote: FlexWheeler "In 2007 it was 2,263,223 with a cumulutive world tv audience of 4.2 billion!
Of course it was. For that to be the case, it would have to be bigger than the FIFA World Cup. Why isn't the sport massively popular in China, India, Brazil, USA, Indonesia, Nigeria, etc. if that many people were watching?
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| Quote: Cronus "
Indeed. Ask Steve Pilgrim and Steve Ford about Union's "flexible" rules on professionalism in the amateur era.
Fine for those who were top internationals and getting paid in brown envelopes in the dressing room, but heaven forbid you associate with professionals outside the sport.
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| Quote: Andy Gilder "Indeed. Ask Steve Pilgrim and Steve Ford about Union's "flexible" rules on professionalism in the amateur era.
Fine for those who were top internationals and getting paid in brown envelopes in the dressing room, but heaven forbid you associate with professionals outside the sport.'"
' Boot money '
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| Quote: FlexWheeler "In 2007 it was 2,263,223 with a cumulutive world tv audience of 4.2 billion!
So given a World population of about 6.5 billion in 2007, and an estimated total of 1.4 billion tv sets in the world, we can safely assume that two thirds of the total mass of humanity watched the RUWC with each and every tv set in the world having on average three viewers.
Sounds plausible.
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| Wasn't that figure derived from numbers watching the news where a clip may have been shown or something like that?
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| I'm assuming Flex only eats McDonalds and only listens to Justin Bieber...
4.2 billion lol
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| Quote: FlexWheeler "Not being sure of who will win and knowing upsets are very possible will make it entertaining.'"
what odds can you get on New Zealand winning the 2015 RUWC?
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| Quote: gutterfax "
come on, let's compare the codes some more
RL in Britain is striving to be successful here. For now, we are not bothered about comparing RL to RU anywhere else or even here thanks. We know RL is a better game than RU and that's all we need to know.
Britain is still a class stratified society. We know that, for whatever reason, the upper middle classes will in general support RU, and because their people predominate at the top end of society, RU will continue to receive an undue weighting of media attention.
The people's games here are soccer and RL. In RL in Britain, it is more of an issue for us to compare ourselves with soccer. Soccer is of course a much bigger game here on any measure. But we still want to compare RL with soccer. Our potential 'markets' include the same people. Neither game is actually a threat to the other and there can be and is mutual respect and co-operation.
In measuring RL v soccer, RL is not of course looking in any of our lifetimes to overtake soccer. The key measures of the [irelative[/i success of RL in expanding over time are in ratios.
eg: compare RL and soccer in say 1970 (when GB ast won the RL Ashes) and 2013.
pick anything:
eg average attendances
value of the TV deals
numbers participating
etc
if RL has gone from 1% of the soccer figure in 1970 to say 4% of the soccer figure in 2013 that's a 400% increase in the time period and shows RL this country has gradually but massively improved over that era. In Britain, RL is most definitely continuing to build success.
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| Quote: Mr Churchill "RL in Britain is striving to be successful here. For now, we are not bothered about comparing RL to RU anywhere else or even here thanks. We know RL is a better game than RU and that's all we need to know.
Britain is still a class stratified society. We know that, for whatever reason, the upper middle classes will in general support RU, and because their people predominate at the top end of society, RU will continue to receive an undue weighting of media attention.
The people's games here are soccer and RL. In RL in Britain, it is more of an issue for us to compare ourselves with soccer. Soccer is of course a much bigger game here on any measure. But we still want to compare RL with soccer. Our potential 'markets' include the same people. Neither game is actually a threat to the other and there can be and is mutual respect and co-operation.
In measuring RL v soccer, RL is not of course looking in any of our lifetimes to overtake soccer. The key measures of the [irelative[/i success of RL in expanding over time are in ratios.
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1. I think You'll find I didn't start the comparison with Union and specifically their RWC.
2. RL and RU invite comparison given the origins of the games and their similarities.
3. Union is not the preserve of the upper-middle classes. 750,000 at their 2003 parade.rlhttps://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/rugby_union/rugby_world_cup/3300061.stmrl
4. TV audiences for England at the RLWC were equalled or beaten by Union friendlies not featuring England.....are there really 2.8 million welsh upper class s or is your class debate slightly outdated?
5. Soccer attendances in the 1970's? Really? Compare Union attendances in 1970 and compare them to now.....Jesus, take Union attendances in 1990 and compare them to the Aviva premiership now
6. On the subject of Media attention......the RLWC getting matched or beaten by friendly Union games on the BBC has all to do with upper-middle class media bias. The 2013 Autumn Internationals played in the 4 Nations and France attracting close to 1,000,000 fans in 17 games at a 59k average has SFA to do with Media Bias.....the fact that most of these internationals had series naming sponsors has little to do with media bias and the fact that RLWC 2013 will post only 10% more profit than 2008, with 55% more games and 57% more fans has little to do with media bias either. Over 92% of the players representing countries in these 17 games were actually BORN IN THOSE COUNTRIES.....little influence of this media bias there either.
You aren't interested in comparing RL with Union but you should be. I know which game I prefer to watch and I know which game in my opinion is better......it is the game that could learn a lot from the other slower and more ponderous game when it comes to administration....England v NZ at Twickenham with about 82,000 people in attendance will have generated close to 5 million on the gate.......they had 2 more of those and then the Fiji/Barbarians game.......they will have generated more profit in 4 games than the entire RLWC of 28 games.
Your comparison with soccer is totally invalid BTW.......tickets to Premiership matches are as expensive (if not more so) than any other sporting tickets in the UK.....your "UPPER-MIDDLE CLASS" are actually middle and lower middle classes with a Capital Once Credit Card
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