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kcab sfrawdder Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done But he with a chuckle replied That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried. So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin On his face. If he worried he hid it. He started to sing as he tackled the thing That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg



Quote: SmokeyTA "No, but it has allowed cowardice and self-interest to be sold as a return to traditional values (sadly a return to cowardice and self-interest is RL's traditional values, but it isn't a good thing)'"


Yes but lets be clear who is showing this cowardice and self interest? , it is the SL chairmen who have forced this change

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[quote="King Street Cat":1wa9s43t]Some might look at this as being harsh but I think it's fair. When are the Rugby League going to stop persisting with this fantasy expansion. If it hasn't worked by now, it never will! I'm all for reaching out to a wider audience with our game but not at the expense of historical clubs in the homelands.[/quote:1wa9s43t]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6731.jpg



Quote: littlerich "Maybe it's got something to do with the Chairmen who run those clubs and them knowing first hand about the difficulties facing them (and their bank balances) in running a club. They should ignore all those experiences and listen to forum contributors who seem to know how to make it work.'"
Maybe it's to do with the chairmen/chief executives being incompetent morons who don't know what they are doing. If anyone can explain how any of the clubs could possibly be better off in any way from a return to an illogical boom-and-bust system then please go ahead.

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Do people not think 12 teams will increase the week in week out intensity, no?

Playoffs we go down to top 5 most likely, which will mean a serious battle between huddersfield, leeds, wigan, saints, hull, catalans and warrington for the best places, some of those teams will miss out.

Then the other teams will be seriously scrapping to avoid relegation.

People moan about meaningless games and the credibility of the playoffs but this will surely help with both of those issues.

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I agree with SL going to 12. Don't want to see the 8 x 3 option coming in though, it's not a good look in my op. Want to see the bottom English club in SL having a play-off with GF winners from the Championship. And CC Final the last match of the season on first Sat. of October. SL Grand Final on second Saturday of Sept.

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Are all of you agreeing the league should be 12 teams absolute idiots?

Clubs are struggling for money as it is. How do they make money? By playing games at home.

We need a minimum of 14 teams and 2 cup competitions to help them do this.

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Boom and bust never went away Headhunter. Did you sleepwalk through the Bradford/Wakefield/Celtic/Salford meltdowns? It clearly wasn't working.

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Quote: headhunter "Maybe it's to do with the chairmen/chief executives being incompetent morons who don't know what they are doing. If anyone can explain how any of the clubs could possibly be better off in any way from a return to an illogical boom-and-bust system then please go ahead.'"


Send in your CV , I' m sure they'll be happy to let you run their clubs

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[quote="King Street Cat":1wa9s43t]Some might look at this as being harsh but I think it's fair. When are the Rugby League going to stop persisting with this fantasy expansion. If it hasn't worked by now, it never will! I'm all for reaching out to a wider audience with our game but not at the expense of historical clubs in the homelands.[/quote:1wa9s43t]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6731.jpg



Quote: FlexWheeler "Do people not think 12 teams will increase the week in week out intensity, no?

Playoffs we go down to top 5 most likely, which will mean a serious battle between huddersfield, leeds, wigan, saints, hull, catalans and warrington for the best places, some of those teams will miss out.

Then the other teams will be seriously scrapping to avoid relegation.

People moan about meaningless games and the credibility of the playoffs but this will surely help with both of those issues.'"
The intensity will reduce because half the clubs will fill their squads with substandard overseas players and be unable to progress in any way due to investing everything to stave off the threat of relegation for another year. And of course one team will be cobbled together from scratch at short notice. We're on the verge of having a SL competition where every club has a legit change of not only making the play-offs but making an iimpact, and we're throwing it all away.

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//www.pngnrlbid.com [quote="bUsTiNyAbALLs":9q9d2t35]Do not converse with me you filthy minded deviant.[/quote:9q9d2t35] [quote="vastman":9q9d2t35]My rage isn't impotent luv, I'm frothing at the mouth actually.[/quote:9q9d2t35]:



Quote: littlerich "Maybe it's got something to do with the Chairmen who run those clubs and them knowing first hand about the difficulties facing them (and their bank balances) in running a club. They should ignore all those experiences and listen to forum contributors who seem to know how to make it work.'"

Rich man takes easy way to make more money is hardly the worlds biggest shock.

Many SL clubs aren't in dire financial straights, the game plays the poor man far too often and some fall for it because it fits their bias. Leeds, Wigan, saints, wire, hull are not poor. Hudds, les Catalans, Salford, Widnes, are not on the breadline. These aren't weak or struggling clubs. But I'm sure they wouldn't mind a free £250k

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//www.pngnrlbid.com [quote="bUsTiNyAbALLs":9q9d2t35]Do not converse with me you filthy minded deviant.[/quote:9q9d2t35] [quote="vastman":9q9d2t35]My rage isn't impotent luv, I'm frothing at the mouth actually.[/quote:9q9d2t35]:



Quote: Starbug "Yes but lets be clear who is showing this cowardice and self interest? , it is the SL chairmen who have forced this change'"

It's the SL chairmen and RFL leadership. The RFL are much more likely to have the chairmen on side with some free money and less competition

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So why have they voted for change Smokey?

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[quote="King Street Cat":1wa9s43t]Some might look at this as being harsh but I think it's fair. When are the Rugby League going to stop persisting with this fantasy expansion. If it hasn't worked by now, it never will! I'm all for reaching out to a wider audience with our game but not at the expense of historical clubs in the homelands.[/quote:1wa9s43t]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6731.jpg



Quote: littlerich "Boom and bust never went away Headhunter. Did you sleepwalk through the Bradford/Wakefield/Celtic/Salford meltdowns? It clearly wasn't working.'"
That isn't boom and bust, that's the inevitable result of years of mismanagement by incompetent administrators. It's something that was necessary for the sport to progress, Wakefield, Salford and Bradford are all far better off now.

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Quote: FlexWheeler "Do people not think 12 teams will increase the week in week out intensity, no?

Playoffs we go down to top 5 most likely, which will mean a serious battle between huddersfield, leeds, wigan, saints, hull, catalans and warrington for the best places, some of those teams will miss out.

Then the other teams will be seriously scrapping to avoid relegation.

People moan about meaningless games and the credibility of the playoffs but this will surely help with both of those issues.'"


Changing the structure of the league will not change anything in the long term. The real aim should be to improve the quality of the player pool, and the teams involved in the comp as a whole. Unfortunately, there is no quick fix for this so it seems the clubs have pussied out and gone for the easy option that will take some of the attention away from the real problems which lie with a lot of the clubs individually rather than the structure of the leagues.

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Quote: headhunter "Why is this happening? Why are we going back to a system that was unsuccessful for years?'"


was it unsuccessful?

We only had a few years of 12 team league, promotion and relegation with top 5 playoff system. (Which is what the new system would most likely entail) Wasn't it 98 to 2001 we had those things?

People look at the negatives, always with the negatives. Think of how much the championship leagues would thrive again with P & R, rather then staring into the abyss those teams would have a genuine chance of ''the dream''.

Think of the week in week out intensity. It seems to be the fans opposed to this will be the ones of teams in and around the bottom of the league, who suddenly don't have that saftey net.

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Apparently the two relegated clubs will receive parachute payments of around £500k each.

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