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[quote="dally messenger":1gysl9ow]was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have[/quote:1gysl9ow]
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| Quote: keighley1 "A court case challenging our right to use the word fron UNION would be wonderful publicity for RUGBY league.'"
Yeah......brilliant Idea  |
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Why don't 'we' just go for .RL or . RFL domain names?
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[quote="dally messenger":1gysl9ow]was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have[/quote:1gysl9ow]
[quote="eels fan":1gysl9ow]You poor poor obsessed fat ex vichyballin potato thieving stoaway.[/quote:1gysl9ow]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6679.png |
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| Quote: getdownmonkeyman "Blimey, you really don't like answering questions.'"
I said I didn't see the point in answering loaded questions....there'sa difference.
Quote: getdownmonkeyman "To address your question; not a clue in the slightest.'"
so, you have no idea how much the RLIF received from the RFL for the hosting rights of 2013/ I think it's a case of YOU not wanting/liking toanswer questions  |
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Didn't William Webb Ellis pick up the ball and run, someone should really tell Rugby Union.
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| Quote: gutterfax "I said I didn't see the point in answering loaded questions....there'sa difference.
so, you have no idea how much the RLIF received from the RFL for the hosting rights of 2013/ I think it's a case of YOU not wanting/liking toanswer questions ![]()
Still no answer, hey-ho. It is getting tedious, but so be it. Again, your really do like to imply what others are stating.
I cannot answer a question, that I do no know the answer to. Loaded or otherwise. I could hazard a guess it would be a greater sum being given to the RFU, but it would be exactly that; a guess.
You compare turnover to TV deals; what a nonsensical comparison, still.
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| Quote: keighley1 "Not so fast Vastman. Many of our clubs are direct unbroken organisations dating to before the great split in 1895. They have every right to call themselves Rugby clubs.
The correct title of our league was originally The Northern RUGBY Football Union and since 1922 The RUGBY Football League. What did you think the R in RFL stood for Rebel. I guess we have the right to call ourselves Union given that historical precedent. We certainly have the right to call ourselves Rugby.
Only last week I was at a Rugby Union event in which Andrew Johns and Brad Fittler were playing and the tannoy commentator repeatedly referred to the two as RUGBY league internationals.
The union lot using Rugby for their game only becomes accepted if we don't challenge it and they kind of get squatters rights to its use. We should continue to use the word Rugby for our game. They have no more right to usurp its usage than we do.
As for the internet domain. The RFL should object to it's use being given exclusively to Union. A court case challenging our right to use the word fron UNION would be wonderful publicity for RUGBY league.'"
Fair points all but there is an old saying "know when your beat".
We may be in the right but it's long since become a pointless exercise. Just my opinion but I'd drop Rugby all together and just call it League incorperating the Super League so that when people say League they mean us. |
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We should drop Rugby and probably League as well.
We live in a branding age.
We need a unique identity. Probably a unique word as many new brands use.
Ideally the letters RL would be in there.
Or 13.
As long as its not ROFL
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| Quote: gutterfax "1. Firstly, dust off both shoulders. Whilst having a chip on them makes most people think you're balanced, the inferiority complex helps nobody.
2. Accept that for now, Union will 'pack'em'in" internationally and it will take a generation or more for International League to get even close/
3. Stop the comparisons........they are 2 different games, with 2 different sets of demographics when it comes to supporters.
4. MARKET the game. The NRL have started to lean on sides to take the game to new audiences.....Perth, unlucky to be overlooked, will get 3 senior games this year and an ANZAC test soon. The RFL need to PAY teams like London and Salford to explore new areas......for too long it's been whippets and ale or Pigeons and pits...RL is an exciting game...Market it properly.
5. Stop playing 2nd fiddle to Media: The BBC are on their booty......they pay over the odds for the 6 nations, but a pittance for RL.....yet they only market the Union......make representations NOW.....kick them while they are down.
6. RLWC 2013 is a major event in the development of the game in the UK........the RFL need to be prepared to spend some of their SKY TV warchest to ensure new fans come on board.....because like Euro 96 and the other lot in 2015, a lot of the fans you attend will be newbies.....and newbies sometimes become FANS......
7. Politics my booty.......there are very rarely political figures prepared to stand in the way of anything. If you refer to the Governements backing of Unions WC and not Leagues.......count the numbers involved....Union fans, 40,000 of them will follow the Lions to Oz next year, the RLWC will attract 10,000 of that to the UK. 2015 Will see 100' of thousands of French, Irish, Italian, American, Canadian, Kiwi, Australian Union fans hit the UK.....and 'business benefits/growth' attracts voters. As I said, lose the chips and get on with it.
For too long RL has been happy to muddle along....enough is enough. The NRL tv deal is bigger than any single current Union deal........if the game is to truly grow on the back of it, then some of that cash needs to be managed back into global grass roots, maybe a SoO at Old Trafford, more internationals, a proper WCC....
....the IRB, for all their faults (there are many) are a governing body that run their game......this is the #1 thing RL needs...a true, powerful governing body that the ARLC/RFL need to adhere to...otherwise, it'll be business as usual and bit by bit, TGG will shrink in the UK.
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Spot on Gutters as usual, I agree with the Salford funding too! Why can't we grow the game in Manchester, Liverpool and Newcastle, it is not as if the RU own these places is it?
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| Quote: Sadfish "doesn't really matter we left Rugby when we split away.'"
Did we split away or did the game of 'Rugby' split in two, there's a subtle yet important difference. |
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I'm interested what 'leaving rugby behind' means....
I always say I'm off to the rugby, we're governed by the Rugby Football League, and our clubs are all Rugby League Football Clubs.
And, as has been pointed out, it was the Northern Rugby Football Union.
It's ridiculous to say there's Rugby (presumably union) and then some game that we play, that we don't have a name for. We're a code of rugby, just as rugby union is a code of rugby, and no one party has sole & exclusive use of that term. The IRB should, in all fairness, be made to be the IRUB, the RWC the RUWC etc. it's only fair, given we already have the RLWC, and are sharing equally the name.
As is, the RLIF and the RFL need to sort things out, particularly with regard to clubs, league structures and international eligiblity. While the state of the NRL is great, the desire amongst all player to pull on an NSW/QLD jersey is killing the game internationally, along with its chances of success.
It's worth recognising that, if SOO rules were amended to residency rather than nationality, then Fthe pacific island sides, as well as all the home nations but England, would get massively stronger. Fix SOO, and bring back GB at our end, so we can have competitive tournaments, and make international RL a regular fixture in the calendar, and play it at stadiums big enough to deserve it, not at bloody Salford.
Within SL, we either need to force mergers, or pursue expansion relentlessly. Either have no Relegation, but have promotion when clubs meet required standards for finance grounds etc; OR merge sides & just have Hull United, Wakefield-Castleford, Warrington-Widnes & Huddersfax.
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| Quote: Separate Ways "
It's ridiculous to say there's Rugby (presumably union) and then some game that we play, that we don't have a name for. We're a code of rugby, just as rugby union is a code of rugby, and no one party has sole & exclusive use of that term. The IRB should, in all fairness, be made to be the IRUB, the RWC the RUWC etc. it's only fair, given we already have the RLWC, and are sharing equally the name. '"
Disagree. Rugby League broke away from Rugby Football. I don't blame them for using the term "Rugby" without having to add "Union" after it.
Quote: Separate Ways "As is, the RLIF and the RFL need to sort things out, particularly with regard to clubs, league structures and international eligiblity. While the state of the NRL is great, the desire amongst all player to pull on an NSW/QLD jersey is killing the game internationally, along with its chances of success. '"
International eligibility is fine and mirrors that of other major sports. Whilst there is an issue with regard SOO harming pacific island nations it's only a fairly minor one. The bigger international issue being Australia's unwillingness to help pacific island nations develop by playing against them.
Quote: Separate Ways "It's worth recognising that, if SOO rules were amended to residency rather than nationality, then Fthe pacific island sides, as well as all the home nations but England, would get massively stronger. Fix SOO, and bring back GB at our end, so we can have competitive tournaments, and make international RL a regular fixture in the calendar, and play it at stadiums big enough to deserve it, not at bloody Salford. '"
I fail to see how that change in SOO rules would particularly help Pacific Island or home nations to any great degree.
I don't know why you think we haven't had competitive tournaments or regular international fixtures. We've had regular, competitive competitions for over 10 years. Considering Salford wasn't a sell-out, what makes you think the 2nd England v France game in 8 days would have got many more people attending at a bigger stadium?
Quote: Separate Ways "Within SL, we either need to force mergers, or pursue expansion relentlessly. Either have no Relegation, but have promotion when clubs meet required standards for finance grounds etc; OR merge sides & just have Hull United, Wakefield-Castleford, Warrington-Widnes & Huddersfax.'"
Mergers will never work and have not worked in British Rugby League. We do need to pursue expansion, but steadily and very carefully. |
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| Quote: Separate Ways "We're a code of rugby, just as rugby union is a code of rugby, and no one party has sole & exclusive use of that term. '"
Aren't Rugby Union and Rugby League both codes of football? |
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| Quote: Barnacle Bill "Aren't Rugby Union and Rugby League both codes of football?'"
In the strictest sense, no not really, 'handling' a 'ball' was actually as common if not more popular than kicking it way back when.
In villages across the land(England) many games are still played today where an object is carried, thrown etc to take the object from the centre of the village to one place or another. kicking or footing the ball was allowed in the melee but generally the 'ball' was carried.
Of course a football association came along with some rules but I'm more than happy that handling the ball came first  |
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