It has surprised me a few have not put Widnes bottom of the league again.I have been saying need to buy a few more quality players, as the strength in depth no good at Widnes.It will depend on financial stability of clubs too as could unsettle players and depends on player injuries etc.I also feel some teams have not completed signings and others lost a few players.So i am not predicting and sitting on the fence.

Seems like each year everyone expects wigan to do worse, however i think they're still going to he really good

1. Warrington
2. Wigan
3. Saints
4. Leeds
5. Hull
6. Catalan
7. Hudds
8. KR

9. Wakefield
10. Bradford
11. London
12. Widnes
13. Cas
14. Salford

SL: Leeds
CC: Wigan

Why is everyone putting Cas 13th or 14th, think we won't finish that low

Maybe 12th if Millward goes early or you have a great start

Why are quite a few people tipping us to finish second? I expect us to improve obviously but sixth to second is a big leap. I expect it to be the following year when we challenge the top two.

Leeds
Wire
Wigan
Hull
Saints
Catalans
Hull kr
London
Hudds
Bradford
Wakefield
Castleford
Widnes
Salford

Great. I love being the underdog. Still think we have a better squad than Widnes and Salford.

Wire
Wigan
Catalan
Saints
Leeds
Hull
Hudds
Wakey
KR
Bulls
London
Widnes
Salford
Cas

As usual it will be a scramble for 7/8th spot and it could be any 2 from 4
The wooden spoon could be interesting, there should be further improvement from Widnes and then it will be up to Cas and Salford to be better than them.
In the CC, more of a wish than an expectation but, if Wakefield dont win, then it would be great for a different winner, Catalan maybe ?

Saints
Wire
Leeds
Hull
Wigan
Cats
Wakey
Bulls
Hudds
London
HKR
Cas
Widnes
Salford

I think losing Finch, Leuluai, Carmont & Lima are going to be big losses, especially all at once. Smith & Green I'm sure will do ok but aren't of the same quality as Finch & Leuluai. Carmont was a cracking centre and will be very difficult to replace, there arent many good centres available. If they sign Taylor that might help alleviate the loss of Lima but he's still a big loss to their pack.
I don't think it'll be a disastrous season for Wigan by any means, they've still plenty of very good players, but I think they'll find it much harder than this season.
When you compare to Wire who I think have only lost Solomona, I'd put Wire as favourites for next year.


Well Cas finished 13th this season, only beating Widnes by points difference. I haven't noticed any impressive signings yet from Cas and I think Widnes finished the season in a more positive fashion than Cas. Add in the Rangi Chase situation, rumours of players not getting on with Millward etc and I don't see it as wildly unreasonable for people to predict, at this stage, 13th or 14th for Cas.

Similar for me and depends on Castleford and Salfords finances as releasing important players.

We'll finish bottom, the rest can finish in whatever order 'it doesn't matter'

I predict it will be The Best Season Ever

A bit of pre-season optimism, you seem like your missus has washed your trousers with Saturday's winning lottery ticket still in your pocket.
All clubs start off the same and then the race to Old Trafford begins, at least wait until you've lost a couple before sounding so down.

Absolutely, good post.