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| Quote: bramleyrhino "Despite what was oft read on the Wigan forum until a few years ago, the salary cap does not stop any club building a successful, or even dominant, team.
In his 2009 Grand Final interview, Kevin Sinfield inferred that Leeds were by no means the best payers in SL and that, if they wanted to, any one of that final-winning team could earn more money playing elsewhere. Yes, Leeds spend the full cap and Sinfield especially is not exactly badly paid, but the point stands - I'd imagine that the same is true at St Helens.
If you build a team who are motivated by achievement on the field, rather than fiscal gain, then you'll have a very successful side.'"
That's true, but building a successful side is one thing, building a successful SPORT - one that can attract sponsors and more fans at home and abroad, is another. I guess I'm not a purist, but to make the sport successful, you end up 'overpaying' relative to someone's talent on the field. Because what you're really paying for (if you're smart/lucky enough to make the right business call) is the number of replica shirts you might shift, or the new sponsor who'll take an interest, or the newspapers that put your club (and RL) in the limelight for a few weeks, and maybe more. Gavin Henson, for example, would be that kind of player.
Look at soccer. Are *any* of the players at the top clubs technically 'worth' their wages in terms of playing ability? No, that would be impossible. But, rightly or wrongly, some clubs see those players as 'investments'.
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| Quote: Ovavoo "Salary cap protects no one. It only serves to level the playing field and make 50/60 point drubbings along with only a handful of clubs actually winning anything and of course stop clubs going bust, a thing of the past. Wait a mo, it doesn't even do that. It's the worst thing ever introduced into this fine game. It stifles innovation, stops richer clubs helping out poorer clubs by buying their best players and thwarts ambitious clubs from expanding. It's a disaster and they should bin it straight away.'"
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| Quote: Him "Of course the "top" players are going to go to the "top" clubs, but it stops the top teams from having a bigger squad of "better" players. No ones suggesting that it's totally evenly spread, it's better than it would be without a cap.
1. Patten
2. Broughton
3. Moon
4. Webster
5. Robertson
6. Gower
7. Dobson
8. Taylor
9. Aiton
10. Kaufusi
11. Lauitiiti
12. Galea
13. Kirmond
14. Chase
15. Amor
16. Huby
17. Nero
Not too bad a team, all from clubs in the bottom 6 teams. If there were no salary cap the vast majority of those players would be at the "top" clubs. I know Broughton and Lauitiiti would still be at Leeds if it werent for the salary cap.'"
Oh absolutely - it's a question of degree though. The cap as a tool for distributing talent has been only an equivocal success IMO. Much better than nowt, but it's disappointing that even with a cap smaller teams can't sign or retain the odd top player. That team illustrates my point, IMO. You had to go from bottom 4 to 6, it still looks pretty ordinary and relies on about a dozen imports.
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| Quote: SCR-SeaDiver "They didn't seem to monitor it until it went wrong at rlBlackpoolrl or
until a player went public at rlBarrowrl
Both in 'the last few seasons''"
I was talking about SuperLeague.
Barrow was a completely different situation anyway.
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| Quote: Wheels "
Barrow was a completely different situation anyway.'"
Why?
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| Quote: a.n Other "Why?'"
Because it wasn't just down to poor administration errors, it was due to downright cynical cheating and illegal cash payments.
If the RFL don't take the salary cap seriously, then how or why were Barrow and Blackpool punished...?
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| In answer to the title of this thread I would say No. The Salary Cap Model needs adjustment combined with a restructure of the game.
We probably have a few clubs clever enough to work around the cap, we also have a couple of clubs taking great risk to spend up to it. We also have the external attack of the cap from Union and NRL.
I would like a scaled enhanched salary cap based on factors of asset/profit values, player development etc.
For example a club that has poor revenue streams, low attendances no youth development and relies on 8+ "overseas players" will have salary cap deferred until the club improves in these specific area.
A club that has good asset value and profit, provides international players and minimal overseas dependancy to receive full cap.
Our biggest problem is the overspend of overseas players which have no asset value and the RFL failure in giving the game Global Stature so that the clubs can benefit from a strong structure.
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| Quote: Saddened! "How many clubs are there that make a profit? There aren't many.
What Sl needs is a reduction in the number of teams. There isn't enough talent to support 14 teams and that means we get a watered down product on the field.'"
Double edged sword.
Condense the talent pool into 12 clubs = 2 less home games to generate income from.
Leeds, Hull and Wigan have regularly posted profits over the last 5 years. Which is not that surprising given their gates.
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| Quote: Judder Man "In answer to the title of this thread I would say No. The Salary Cap Model needs adjustment combined with a restructure of the game.
We probably have a few clubs clever enough to work around the cap, we also have a couple of clubs taking great risk to spend up to it. We also have the external attack of the cap from Union and NRL.
I would like a scaled enhanched salary cap based on factors of asset/profit values, player development etc.
For example a club that has poor revenue streams, low attendances no youth development and relies on 8+ "overseas players" will have salary cap deferred until the club improves in these specific area.
A club that has good asset value and profit, provides international players and minimal overseas dependancy to receive full cap.
Our biggest problem is the overspend of overseas players which have no asset value and the RFL failure in giving the game Global Stature so that the clubs can benefit from a strong structure.'"
Nice in theory, but if you reward the high achieving clubs and punish the low achievement clubs, the cycle can only continue. The high achieving clubs spend more, are more successful on the field and can attract more income. The lesser clubs cannot spend more so cannot improve their on field fortunes so are unlikely to make any commercial improvements.
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| The RFL didn't discover the Barrow cheating of the cap. They were informed by an outside party. Same at Blackpool.
In the NRL neither Canterbury or Melbourne were found to be cheating the SC by the administrators there. They were informed by outside sources.
The RFL and the NRL do not run a good enough systems to ensure all clubs adhere to the SC.
As I mentioned previously, until the RFL check the tax returns and bank accounts of players then the SC is a complete and utter waste of time.
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| And then there are always ways around it with non direct income. Les Catalans employing wives and girlfriends, 3rd party appearances, house rentals, 0% car loans at trade price etc etc.
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| Quote: JB Down Under "And then there are always ways around it with non direct income. Les Catalans employing wives and girlfriends, 3rd party appearances, house rentals, 0% car loans at trade price etc etc.'"
All of which are covered in the SC regs , all these things are not allowed
But like most things it depends who you are, Celtic Crusaders had 17 full time players being paid by the RFL via community development grants including cars and accomadation, all on a SC of 250 grand
We are all equal, just some are more equal than others
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| Quote: Starbug "All of which are covered in the SC regs , all these things are not allowed
But like most things it depends who you are, Celtic Crusaders had 17 full time players being paid by the RFL via community development grants including cars and accomadation, all on a SC of 250 grand
We are all equal, just some are more equal than others'"
Those things are allowed.
There is nothing in the SC regs which says wives and girlfriends cannot have jobs working for the club, players cant be paid for 3rd party appearances, they cant rent houses or get a good deal on a car.
There is specific provision for players to do community development jobs and other jobs in the club.
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