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The whole worlds going to explode and everything we do is wrong and always has been...cos one man cant manage his club properly.
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "Really? Thats one of the more idiotic statistics you have made up. Not the most idiotic but one of them.'"
Mmm let me think, 4 years of franchising? , 4 clubs in serious financial problems? , yep thats one a year |
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Love the way people preach this two divisions of 10 (Jamie Peacock is one of them) but can never provide any financial numbers to back this plan.
Can someone please tell me how the 2nd division of 10 is gonna generate TV money? How will they afford to pay full time wages?
No TV executive will be interested in paying for 2nd division TV rights.
What evidence or actual argument have you got to say that non franchising would have stopped teams going bust?
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| Quote: Starbug "
I like how you are now moving on to your fairly vague and subjective interpretation of 'serious financial problems' rather than any actual, definable issue. It will allow you hide behind your usual fog-knitting and deliberate-confusion.
But other than Wakefield and Crusaders, and now Bradford, which was your other one?
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| Quote: kobashi "Love the way people preach this two divisions of 10 (Jamie Peacock is one of them) but can never provide any financial numbers to back this plan.
Can someone please tell me how the 2nd division of 10 is gonna generate TV money? How will they afford to pay full time wages?
No TV executive will be interested in paying for 2nd division TV rights.
What evidence or actual argument have you got to say that non franchising would have stopped teams going bust?'"
While I like the idea of the 10 team leagues you are quite correct, unless the 2 nd tier recieved a reasonable TV deal it isnt workable,
Again correct, so why is the 2 nd tier on TV now?
Again no evidence, but it was one of the major arguments for it at the time, something us more knowledgeable ( about human nature ) fans pointed out, I suppose that is the argument |
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "I like how you are now moving on to your fairly vague and subjective interpretation of 'serious financial problems' rather than any actual, definable issue. It will allow you hide behind your usual fog-knitting and deliberate-confusion.
But other than Wakefield and Crusaders, and now Bradford, which was your other one?'"
Celtic Crusaders
Wakefield
Crusaders
Bradford
And we still have a few months to go yet |
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| Quote: Starbug "While I like the idea of the 10 team leagues you are quite correct, unless the 2 nd tier recieved a reasonable TV deal it isnt workable,
Again correct, so why is the 2 nd tier on TV now?
Again no evidence, but it was one of the major arguments for it at the time, something us more knowledgeable ( about human nature ) fans pointed out, I suppose that is the argument'"
but at the moment the 2nd tier gets no money for TV rights. So yeah we may get that no problem but thats no good if people want a professional 2nd division. |
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "icon_lol.gif ![]()
Why which one of them was just a dream in the shower?
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| Quote: kobashi "but at the moment the 2nd tier gets no money for TV rights. So yeah we may get that no problem but thats no good if people want a professional 2nd division.'"
I suppose it depends if anybody was willing to stump up 3-4 million a year, if there isnt then as you say, it wont work |
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| Quote: kobashi "Love the way people preach this two divisions of 10 (Jamie Peacock is one of them) but can never provide any financial numbers to back this plan.
Can someone please tell me how the 2nd division of 10 is gonna generate TV money? How will they afford to pay full time wages?
No TV executive will be interested in paying for 2nd division TV rights.
What evidence or actual argument have you got to say that non franchising would have stopped teams going bust?'"
Don't forget the extra crowds and revenue generated from the P&R battles.. |
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| Quote: Starbug "Why which one of them was just a dream in the shower?'"
For you? probably all of them. |
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| Quote: wereutherein1987? "Don't forget the extra crowds and revenue generated from the P&R battles..'"
Good point, not many meaningless matches before August/September like we have now |
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "For you? probably all of them.'"
So 4 it is then, you should learn to count |
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Ten team divisions would make the second tier more attractive, promotion makes the second tier more attractive.
Even with the existing total income for the top tier alone each top tier club could keep 100% of it's current TV income and each tier 2 would get 40% if the RFL split it that way. A small cut would make the second tier even better as would a separate deal or an integrated deal granting second tier more money.
The second tier would require smaller outgoings as the best paid players would be in the NRL/tier 1 anyway.
Four franchises failing in four years is how I would describe it too (unless the Bradford business plan included begging buckets)
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