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Quote: justarugbyfan "They won a trophy this year so I'm querying why they weren't included in the poll. At no point did I state that everything revolves around Wigan.'"
Because the poll was related to Warrington and Leeds, and wasn't anything to do with Wigan?

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Quote: justarugbyfan "They won a trophy this year so I'm querying why they weren't included in the poll. At no point did I state that everything revolves around Wigan.'"


The answer would still be Leeds though.

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Quote: Chief Stinkwort "The answer would still be Leeds though.'"


Yeah it would

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Permit me to drag this debate to the Championship level. In 2010 Featherstone steamrollered their way to the top and stayed there pretty much all the way through. Played Halifax in the final and stormed into a good half time lead. With me so far? Came out second half and stuck it to Halifax some more. Yep - Featherstone's season - no doubt. Fax 22-6 down with 16 mins to go. 17 mins later, Fax are Champions. Go and ask Fev fans if they had a better season in 2010 or 2011.

The answer to the OP's question is Leeds.

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Leeds by a distance.

Ask people in 20 years who won the super league title and they'll tell you Leeds. Ask them who appeared in the challenge cup final and most will be able to remember it was Wigan and Leeds. Ask those same people who won the league leaders shield and it'll be a struggle to get an answer because sadly it means little.

For top sides like Leeds, Wigan, Saints, Wire etc success has to be judged by trophies at the end of the day and the shield is nothing more then a token gesture.

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Quote: justarugbyfan "Where was the Wigan option by the way?

Didn't they win something at Wembley this year?'"


The poll was to try settle an argument with my Wire supporting mate. As i'm a Leeds fan when we discuss RL its usually Leeds and Wire issues and we dont feel the need to discuss WWRL, so they were not part of our argument!!

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How can a team be classed as the best if they failed to beat the existing champs in 3 attempts?

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Leeds by miles. Written off early in the season, loads of injuries to key players, and having a storming finish. Warrington again failed to follow up from previous seasons successes, and, not surprisingly to many, bottled it in key games.

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Winning the GF and getting to Wembley means Leeds did have the better season, as that's a more significant hall of trophies than Wire managed. Wire also had a great season, and probably played the best rugby on display last year, but trophies count at the end of the day. I'm disappointed that some fellow Wire fans are still griping about the League Leaders being the 'real champions'. It's not true, the champions are Leeds, like it or not, as they won the GF.

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Quote: Wigan Peer "Leeds by miles. Written off early in the season, loads of injuries to key players, and having a storming finish. Warrington again failed to follow up from previous seasons successes, and, not surprisingly to many, bottled it in key games.'"


I agree with you about Leeds ( see my post ) but to say Wire 'bottled' key games is an insult to Leeds and to Wigan ( assuming you're referring to the Challenge Cup QF ). Both of those games were very close in the end, but each went to the team that played best on the day.

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Quote: Finfin "How can a team be classed as the best if they failed to beat the existing champs in 3 attempts?'"
According to SCummings, they did beat Wigan in the game at the DW Stadium icon_biggrin.gif It's hardly Leeds' fault that Wigan failed miserably to qualify for the biggest game of the season so they could beat them at Old Trafford is it.

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Quote: Asgardian13 "I agree with you about Leeds ( see my post )] but to say Wire 'bottled' key games is an insult to Leeds and to Wigan ]( assuming you're referring to the Challenge Cup QF ). Both of those games were very close in the end, but each went to the team that played best on the day.'"


With respect, you would think that would'nt you. It's an insult to neither Wigan or Leeds. Please look to your recent record in play-off games.

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Quote: Wigan Peer "With respect, you would think that would'nt you. It's an insult to neither Wigan or Leeds. Please look to your recent record in play-off games.'"


Why, then, did Wire not 'bottle it' in the even bigger arena of Wembley two years running? Did Leeds 'bottle it' in last year's cup final against Wigan? I'm not sure this 'bottling' business makes sense at all in talking about a team sport. Maybe I'd believe it of say, a snooker player who missed as easy pot in a deciding frame, but for sports teams there are an infinite number of reasons why they may be outplayed by their opponents on any one day. Wire v Leeds in the play-offs came down to a penalty for offside: was Myler 'bottling it' with his over-enthusiastic kick-off chase?

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I don't know where this idea that Warrington had a "poor finish" to the season or "fizzled out" in the playoffs comes from?

Warrington won their last 10 league games of the season then in the playoffs beat Huddersfield 47-0 and lost to Leeds 26-24.

Yes the 2 point defeat by Leeds came at the worst time and ended the season but it's hardly a case of Warrington losing form at the wrong time of the season.

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Quote: sally cinnamon "I don't know where this idea that Warrington had a "poor finish" to the season or "fizzled out" in the playoffs comes from?

Warrington won their last 10 league games of the season then in the playoffs beat Huddersfield 47-0 and lost to Leeds 26-24.

Yes the 2 point defeat by Leeds came at the worst time and ended the season but it's hardly a case of Warrington losing form at the wrong time of the season.'"


True this, but I don't know where you get the idea that Warrington were 'League Champions' in 2011. Such an award simply does not exist.

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