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Did under Adams regime FC sign Aspinwall?

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Quote: Wheels "Ah here we go, I wondered when the conspiracy theorists would start boo-hooing. These bans are serious, and I'm almost certain will be for much more than a diet pill.

The RFL don't just hand out long bans because they don't like Hull FC. They obviously have a lot of evidence against them, so don't get your back up.'"

Wooh wooh Gavin. I haven't said anything of the sort. I was on a bit of a fishing mission there, I'll admit (didn't think I'd catch a big un like you, I was after proper Saints fans, not plastic York ones icon_wink.gif), but the point I was getting at is that it must be for more than supplying him with it, as Cunningham was let off for it.

Good little jab you've had there though. We all know the RFL don't like Hull FC and treat us differently icon_wink.gif

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Fair point. Not what this thread is about though and it has been dealt with. All clubs have disciplinery issues. Some take longer to deal with them than others.

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Quote: Rupert Pupkin "Did under Adams regime FC sign Aspinwall?'"

I do agree that we shouldn't have touched him in the first place if we're trying to get a more squeaky clean feel about the club. He was always high risk. He's been dealt with appropriately and will be on probably his last ever chance at the top level.

Still not as stupid as signing Stuart Reardon on the day we launched a domestic violence campaign (and then it being found out he failed the medical!) so a load of bad press for absolutely nothing!

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Still not as stupid as signing Stuart Reardon on the day we launched a domestic violence campaign (and then it being found out he failed the medical!) so a load of bad press for absolutely nothing!'"


I’d forgotten about that gem. We are so lucky to be shut of that band of idiots.

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Quote: Wellsy13 "Wooh wooh Gavin. I haven't said anything of the sort. I was on a bit of a fishing mission there, I'll admit (didn't think I'd catch a big un like you, I was after proper Saints fans, not plastic York ones
Pah, bugger off you.

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Quote: hullbg "A sad end to Gleesons career and IF he was aware of what he was allegedly taking then he has only himself to blame.'"

He's also only himself to blame if he wasn't aware.

Ignorance is no defence.

It's about taking responsibility for one's actions.

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Quote: Kosh "The only thing Gleeson did wrong was agree to lie about getting clearance for the supplement directly from Ben Cooper rather than via Sean Long. Even then he clearly had second thoughts and it was him that shopped the other two. I feel sorry for him TBH - he didn't set out to break any rules and if Ben Cooper was halfway competent this would never have happened.

I'm deeply disappointed with Rule. It's not clear if the plan to lie to the authorities was all his idea but he was certainly the facilitator and coordinator. He should have had the balls to sack Cooper and plead for clemency from the UKDA based on the truth.'"



Having read the Ben Cooper report I now agree that fault lies with him rather than Gleeson/Long. Apologies.

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Quote: MattyB "Having read the Ben Cooper report I now agree that fault lies with him rather than Gleeson/Long. Apologies.'"

How convenient.

Perhaps you could start a Gleeson & Long are innocent campaign?

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Quote: Keith Swiftcorn "How convenient.

Perhaps you could start a Gleeson & Long are innocent campaign?'"

Long hasn't been charged with anything and thus is innocent already.

Gleeson never denied that he'd inadvertently taken a banned substance and hasn't tried to challenge the guilty verdict. As you said in your other post the ultimate responsibility for checking any supplement lies with the athlete, although in this case he was given duff information - albeit second-hand - by someone he had every right to trust.

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Quote: Wellsy13 "the point I was getting at is that it must be for more than supplying him with it, as Cunningham was let off for it.'"

He was found innocent of any wrongdoing because the conditioner at the time was proven to be a fraud. The RFL had employed him prior to Saints and I believe had recommended him to Saints. That's aside from the relative lack of education, information and clarification of responsibility that there was then compared to now in RL when it comes to banned substances. I believe that it is ultimately the player's responsibility to check against the list of banned substances readily available on the UKDA website before taking anything, whether recommended by their conditioner or not.

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Quote: Keith Swiftcorn "How convenient.

Perhaps you could start a Gleeson & Long are innocent campaign?'"



Nah, they both have history together for being numb as pumps. icon_neutral.gif

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Quote: SaintsFan "He was found innocent of any wrongdoing because the conditioner at the time was proven to be a fraud.'"

Probably innocent too when he was also helping Longy's father promote his dodgy health and sports nutrition stall at Wigan market.

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Quote: SaintsFan "He was found innocent of any wrongdoing because the conditioner at the time was proven to be a fraud.'"

Probably innocent too when he was also helping Longy's father promote his dodgy health and sports nutrition stall at Wigan market.

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Quote: Wellsy13 "Is anyone else slightly worried about Martin Gleeson?
After all the personal problems of last year and now the drugs ban to effectively end his career, I'm worried it may have the potential to become a bit "Terry Newton".

I hope the RFL keep an eye on him and offer him support. I'm guessing that's what "State of Mind" was set up for.'"

Well said ,could not agree more.

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