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Quote: Conroy "They are still a better side than us though and on paper you would back them to win.'"

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Quote: Big Ask "Will Danny Brough flip back to Scotland for the next World Cup?

I agree he's been out of form, but worth having him the squad and a no brainer once Lomax pulled out.'"

technically danny brough is still a scotland player,having not played a game for england he's absolutely within his rights,without any laws being bent or broken, to go back to scotland

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Quote: Dally "Usual problem - we'll get destroyed by Australia's centres.'"


We are in a bad state if so , Australia are down to a not even half fit Inglis and their fifth and sixth choices for centre..

Given the fact that Australia are missing over a dozen players and NZ not far short it is Mcnamara's golden opportunity....if we do not at least take them to the wire it will be very disappointing....

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Quote: roughyedspud "technically danny brough is still a scotland player,having not played a game for england he's absolutely within his rights,without any laws being bent or broken, to go back to scotland'"



Maybe Ben Harrison will go bvack to Ireland icon_confused.gif:

Maybe Chris Bridge will go back to Ireland icon_confused.gif:

If McIlorum does not play he will elect to play for Ireland again icon_confused.gif:

Either way there will be a lot of players who will not be playing in the next world cup who should be but they are having to play the England RFL lottery

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It made me laugh the quote saying England had decided to pick heritage players just to get a win when in the same paragraph Uate was named for Aus..

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Quote: Dico "It made me laugh the quote saying England had decided to pick heritage players just to get a win when in the same paragraph Uate was named for Aus..'"

Not quite the same is it though?
Uate came to Australia as a teenager and was developed in Australia not poached as a ready built player.

"Aku was aged 16 when he left his home in the remote Fijian island of Lakeba to live with his father, David Uate, and stepmother Julie, at Woy Woy, on the Central Coast.

‘‘I wasn’t going really well at school because I always wanted to come home and go fishing and do things like that,’’ Aku says sheepishly. ‘‘So Dad brought me over here in 2003 to finish high school.’’

Aku attended Brisbane Water Secondary College, Woy Woy, where he became one of the foundation students in the school’s Rugby League Sports Academy.

‘‘It was just fun back then,’’ Aku recalls. ‘‘Mr [Matt] Marker and Mr [Mark] Cribb were teaching me rugby league basics like how to play the ball.’’

Rugby union had been the main football code played in Fiji, although Aku had always had an interest in rugby league and had closely followed the careers of Fijian rugby league stars Noa Nadruku and Lote Tuqiri on TV.

Aku soon followed the lead of his cousins and schoolmates and joined the Woy Woy Roosters under-17s team in the Central Coast rugby league premiership.

Roosters president Grant Pride says Aku made an immediate impression.
Aku proved a fast learner, too, and in 2005 was selected in the Australian Schoolboys squad alongside current Newcastle teammates Jarrod Mullen and Cory Paterson, as well as current NRL stars Darius Boyd (St George Illawarra), David Taylor (South Sydney) and Mitchell Pearce (Sydney Roosters).

Aku has fond memories of his first rugby league games at Woy Woy.

‘‘It was just fun,’’ he says. ‘‘All you did was run and score tries. You got more space than in rugby union. In union you’ve got to ruck and maul, but in league you get to keep the ball for five tackles and you kick it on the last. That’s the fun part about league.

‘‘And I didn’t really get touched back in those days because nobody could catch me,’’ he laughs.

Everything came easily to Aku on the football field. So there was no reason for him to ever doubt that he would make it in the NRL.

‘‘I thought it would be easy getting into the NRL,’’ he says, smiling at his naivety. ‘‘But it’s hard work.’’

As a teenager, Aku had trials with Wests Tigers, Manly and the Sydney Roosters.

‘‘My last trial was with Newcastle, and the only reason I picked Newcastle was because it was fairly close to Woy Woy and only maybe two hours on the train,’’ he says.

‘‘I then got a letter from Newcastle saying that I had made the train-on squad.’’

For the next two years, Aku had a crash course on the dedication needed to make it in the NRL. And he almost failed the test.

‘‘I was going to give up,’’ he confesses. ‘‘It was a bit hard for me.
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I guess since he lives in Oz and is a citizen of Australia its hard to tell him he can not play for the country he has PERMANENTLY moved to.

Not like a Grand Parent or 3 year rule like some of the current English squad.
Quote: Dico "It made me laugh the quote saying England had decided to pick heritage players just to get a win when in the same paragraph Uate was named for Aus..'"

Not quite the same is it though?
Uate came to Australia as a teenager and was developed in Australia not poached as a ready built player.

"Aku was aged 16 when he left his home in the remote Fijian island of Lakeba to live with his father, David Uate, and stepmother Julie, at Woy Woy, on the Central Coast.

‘‘I wasn’t going really well at school because I always wanted to come home and go fishing and do things like that,’’ Aku says sheepishly. ‘‘So Dad brought me over here in 2003 to finish high school.’’

Aku attended Brisbane Water Secondary College, Woy Woy, where he became one of the foundation students in the school’s Rugby League Sports Academy.

‘‘It was just fun back then,’’ Aku recalls. ‘‘Mr [Matt] Marker and Mr [Mark] Cribb were teaching me rugby league basics like how to play the ball.’’

Rugby union had been the main football code played in Fiji, although Aku had always had an interest in rugby league and had closely followed the careers of Fijian rugby league stars Noa Nadruku and Lote Tuqiri on TV.

Aku soon followed the lead of his cousins and schoolmates and joined the Woy Woy Roosters under-17s team in the Central Coast rugby league premiership.

Roosters president Grant Pride says Aku made an immediate impression.
Aku proved a fast learner, too, and in 2005 was selected in the Australian Schoolboys squad alongside current Newcastle teammates Jarrod Mullen and Cory Paterson, as well as current NRL stars Darius Boyd (St George Illawarra), David Taylor (South Sydney) and Mitchell Pearce (Sydney Roosters).

Aku has fond memories of his first rugby league games at Woy Woy.

‘‘It was just fun,’’ he says. ‘‘All you did was run and score tries. You got more space than in rugby union. In union you’ve got to ruck and maul, but in league you get to keep the ball for five tackles and you kick it on the last. That’s the fun part about league.

‘‘And I didn’t really get touched back in those days because nobody could catch me,’’ he laughs.

Everything came easily to Aku on the football field. So there was no reason for him to ever doubt that he would make it in the NRL.

‘‘I thought it would be easy getting into the NRL,’’ he says, smiling at his naivety. ‘‘But it’s hard work.’’

As a teenager, Aku had trials with Wests Tigers, Manly and the Sydney Roosters.

‘‘My last trial was with Newcastle, and the only reason I picked Newcastle was because it was fairly close to Woy Woy and only maybe two hours on the train,’’ he says.

‘‘I then got a letter from Newcastle saying that I had made the train-on squad.’’

For the next two years, Aku had a crash course on the dedication needed to make it in the NRL. And he almost failed the test.

‘‘I was going to give up,’’ he confesses. ‘‘It was a bit hard for me.
More here
Link
www.theherald.com.au/news/local/ ... torypage=3

I guess since he lives in Oz and is a citizen of Australia its hard to tell him he can not play for the country he has PERMANENTLY moved to.

Not like a Grand Parent or 3 year rule like some of the current English squad.


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I always look at the england squad and think which of those players are the aussies etc going to be worried about...
Tomkins, Roby, Graham, Mozza, Ellis are the only 5 i can realistically see them worrying about.

I mean Ben Jones Bishop???? Really??????????

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Quote: Jonesy "Not quite the same is it though?
Uate came to Australia as a teenager and was developed in Australia not poached as a ready built player.

"Aku was aged 16 when he left his home in the remote Fijian island of Lakeba to live with his father, David Uate, and stepmother Julie, at Woy Woy, on the Central Coast.

‘‘I wasn’t going really well at school because I always wanted to come home and go fishing and do things like that,’’ Aku says sheepishly. ‘‘So Dad brought me over here in 2003 to finish high school.’’

Aku attended Brisbane Water Secondary College, Woy Woy, where he became one of the foundation students in the school’s Rugby League Sports Academy.

‘‘It was just fun back then,’’ Aku recalls. ‘‘Mr [Matt] Marker and Mr [Mark] Cribb were teaching me rugby league basics like how to play the ball.’’

Rugby union had been the main football code played in Fiji, although Aku had always had an interest in rugby league and had closely followed the careers of Fijian rugby league stars Noa Nadruku and Lote Tuqiri on TV.

Aku soon followed the lead of his cousins and schoolmates and joined the Woy Woy Roosters under-17s team in the Central Coast rugby league premiership.

Roosters president Grant Pride says Aku made an immediate impression.
Aku proved a fast learner, too, and in 2005 was selected in the Australian Schoolboys squad alongside current Newcastle teammates Jarrod Mullen and Cory Paterson, as well as current NRL stars Darius Boyd (St George Illawarra), David Taylor (South Sydney) and Mitchell Pearce (Sydney Roosters).

Aku has fond memories of his first rugby league games at Woy Woy.

‘‘It was just fun,’’ he says. ‘‘All you did was run and score tries. You got more space than in rugby union. In union you’ve got to ruck and maul, but in league you get to keep the ball for five tackles and you kick it on the last. That’s the fun part about league.

‘‘And I didn’t really get touched back in those days because nobody could catch me,’’ he laughs.

Everything came easily to Aku on the football field. So there was no reason for him to ever doubt that he would make it in the NRL.

‘‘I thought it would be easy getting into the NRL,’’ he says, smiling at his naivety. ‘‘But it’s hard work.’’

As a teenager, Aku had trials with Wests Tigers, Manly and the Sydney Roosters.

‘‘My last trial was with Newcastle, and the only reason I picked Newcastle was because it was fairly close to Woy Woy and only maybe two hours on the train,’’ he says.

‘‘I then got a letter from Newcastle saying that I had made the train-on squad.’’

For the next two years, Aku had a crash course on the dedication needed to make it in the NRL. And he almost failed the test.

‘‘I was going to give up,’’ he confesses. ‘‘It was a bit hard for me.
More here
Link

He's still not Australian.
The only debatable one in the English squad is Rangi Chase and he hasnt lived in NZ since he was about 13. Its absolutely no different to Uate or many others Aus have picked in the past

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Quote: Dico "He's still not Australian.
The only debatable one in the English squad is Rangi Chase and he hasnt lived in NZ since he was about 13. Its absolutely no different to Uate or many others Aus have picked in the past'"

Who says he is not Australian? What passport does he carry? if its Australian he is Australian.
But Chase is a Kiwi that was brought up in Australia and has lived for three years in England, until a couple of months ago he aspired to play in the NRL and wanted to represent New Zealand.

Heighington has no connection with England other than heritage, he has failed to make the NSW side year after year and has decided a Test Cap for any Nation is better than none at all.

Reed left England when he was two and up and till a month ago declared his ambition to play for Australia.

Widdop Left England as a 14 year old and has been developed by the Melbourne Storm and before last years series was debating which Nation he would represent/have the best chance of selection and chose England.

Australia has NEVER chosen a player to represent Australia with anything like the situation of the above four players.

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Quote: bigtruck "I always look at the england squad and think which of those players are the aussies etc going to be worried about...
Tomkins, Roby, Graham, Mozza, Ellis are the only 5 i can realistically see them worrying about.

I mean Ben Jones Bishop???? Really??????????'"

I hope the Aussies and Kiwi’s have the same attitude

The more I think about it, the more excited I am about the potential in the English backline/halves

Tomkins
Hall
Reed
Yeaman
Briscoe
Widdop
Chase

This 1-7 averages under 25 and for me is the most attacking backline we have put together for years

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Quote: wakey_saint "Carl Ablett (Leeds) - good player, versatile, deserves selection
Ryan Bailey (Leeds) - should no way be here, LMS, Mossop, Lynch, Griffin all better options
Tom Briscoe (Hull) - deserves selection
Garreth Carvell (Warrington) - very impressive this seaon, deserves selection
Rangi Chase (Castleford) - Not English and shouldnt be there, rather see Gaskell, Burrow, Gale given chance
Leroy Cudjoe (Huddersfield) - not good enough, Atkins a better option by far
'"


I stopped reading here.

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So what are the likely 17s going to be?

Aus:

Slater
Boyd/Morris
Tonga
Inglis
Uate
Lockyer
Thurston
Scott
Smith
Galloway
Thaiday
Lewis
Gallen

Shillington
Watmough
Scott
Parker

Not much depth in the forwards or centres, but all the key players are still there.

England:

Tomkins
Hall
Reed
Yeaman
Briscoe
Widdop
Chase
Graham
Roby
Peacock
Ellis
Westood
Heighton

Sinfield
Morley
Carvell
JJB

NZ (I'm not really sure about this at all)

Geale
Nightingale
Taylor
Manering
Fai-Fai Loa (beast)
Benji
Fein/Foran
Packer
Leuluai
Hargreaves
Smith
Manu
Blair

Luke
Moi Moi
Matulino
Brown

Those team are based on the squads I've found on the net. I found it very hard to pick a side for Aus and NZ. NZ have a very young looking side but don't be fooled some of them are top players already. Will be a very interesting series.

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This is the Australian team about to play the Kiwis on Sunday

KANGAROOS
1. Billy Slater
2. Akuila Uate
3. Willie Tonga
4. Chris Lawrence
5. Darius Boyd
6. Darren Lockyer (c)
7. Johnathan Thurston
8. Paul Gallen
9. Cameron Smith
10. Matt Scott
11. Luke Lewis
12. Sam Thaiday
13. Anthony Watmough
Interchange:
14. Cooper Cronk
15. Keith Galloway
16. David Shillington
17. Tony Williams
Easily the best "Spine" in the game
Inglis will be in that side come the Four Nations.

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The Kiwi side to play Oz on Sunday.
KIWIS
1. Kevin Locke
2. Kalifa Faifai Loa
3. Lewis Brown
4. Gerard Beale
5. Jason Nightingale
6. Benji Marshall (c)
7. Kieran Foran
8. Russell Packer
9. Nathan Fien
10. Sam McKendry
11. Alex Glenn
12. Simon Mannering
13. Jeremy Smith.
Interchange:
14. Issac Luke
15. Fuifui Moimoi
16. Sika Manu
17. Jared Waerea-Hargreaves.

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Quote: Jonesy "This is the Australian team about to play the Kiwis on Sunday

KANGAROOS
1. Billy Slater
2. Akuila Uate
3. Willie Tonga
4. Chris Lawrence
5. Darius Boyd
6. Darren Lockyer (c)
7. Johnathan Thurston
8. Paul Gallen
9. Cameron Smith
10. Matt Scott
11. Luke Lewis
12. Sam Thaiday
13. Anthony Watmough
Interchange
I’ve watched the Kangaroos play since ’84 and from 2 to 5 that’s among the worst backlines I can remember. All good players but nowhere near the quality that Australia has produced in the past

Inglis is top class and would make that side a whole lot better but his fitness and form are questionable

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