McNamara is just not good enough for the top coaching job over here.

Didn't do too bad at the HJ a couple of weeks ago.

You might stand by it. But history, statistics and his medal cabinet all prove you wrong.

Yeah, pretty sure I used all of those for the points I made, unfortunately you seem to misunderstood that medals, stats and the past are what he has achieved, I have stated that he could only do that in the Leeds team, or a team that plays a similar style, and that none of those actually show what he does on the pitch throughout the 80 mins of every game for the last decade, they show what he has achieved, not what he has done throughout each game; a very healthy try return doth not make for an international standard stand-off.

He does is too infrequently against teams of equal or greater opposition for my money. But that was a high-pressure game so fair does. Equally I remember McGuire playing so awfully against the Aussies at Wigan that he was pulled off and interchanged after looking just out of his depth.

McGuire had a stinker against Australia and was rightly dropped however, I think you are way way off the mark regarding mcguires big game performances for Leeds. He's been the difference in many a game

As a pressure-building, organising, whip passing, cut-out passing, deep kicking, short-kicking, high kicking stand-off, etc; no. As a try-scorer and supreme support runner; yes. He does a job for Leeds, and whether they play to him, or he plays to a style that Leeds play, it works for both parties, but as soon as you give him responsibilty for everything that he can only do to SL standard he looks weak at international and that weakness is exposed. You don't get many games where freeloaders as support runners are an option in international rugby league; the last sentence is a gross overexaggeration for effect but admit he has been the difference on countless occasions, both on the scoreboard and in actually finishing due to exception lines, but he does not get those chances at international level and until England start playing like Leeds he will not perform to international standard.

First point, where in my post to i blame Mcguire for Englands failings. Second point, Mcguire doesn't deserve to be in the England squad because in the last 7 years,there has been one international game where he has done anything of note. I think 7 years is a fair enough chance.

He has actually. Semi final against NZ in the world cup he was England's best player - by far.

Not that should mean he should play in this years tournament but hes been no worse than many others in the squad.

As for McGuire being just a support player (it's not 2004) its just not the case anymore

Are you saying the rest of his game is anything more than SL standard, because I just don't see it. What I have seen this year is a willingness to kick long from McGuire, something that had largely given over to Sinfield and Burrows, so there is growth there and he does look an accomplished 7, whereas he didn't look that good when forced into that role in previous seasons.

Mcguire has only played half a season and in fairness is just getting getting back to the form of last season, which was outstanding. There was no more influential player in superleague last season and Mcguire carried the team for large parts, when Sinfield was out injured and when burrow was out injured. He beat Wigan almost single handed in the play offs and dictated the game as he did many others. If the accusation is that Mcguire is not good enough against the Aussies, well it's no good looking on these shores for anyone who is better than the aussies because we ain't got anybody.

I'm assuming you are referring to Leeds, as whilst he may have scooped the awards for Leeds in a largely disappointing 2010 I don't recall him being in the running for any other honours, be that representative, Dream Team or the Man of Steel Awards

It’s strange isn’t it that when somebody gets labelled a support player they are always a support player

Danny McGuire is pretty good at backing up and scoring tries (never a bad thing) but that’s not all there is to his game. In 14 appearances this year, he is credited with 12 try assists, that’s one more than Danny Brough who has made 7 more appearances... he has also made 5 more offloads

I agree that he lacks some of the skills that you would associate with a ‘complete’ half back such as a quality kicking game (Leeds manage perfectly well as they have other kicking options) but McGuire’s creativity with the ball is often under rated

He will not be first choice in the halves - he wasn’t even in the initial 22 – but it’s not bad when you can bring in a player of his quality when injuries hit

Maguire is a good ( sometimes excellent ) club player but as an individual he has been tried and repeatedly failed at international level. Even if he's a 'back-up' it's a mistake to put him in the squad. Myler would make a better back-up and would learn something for the future - of which he has a lot more than does Maguire.

I love arguments that say "if X player didn't have Y talent he'd be average" yes you're right but he does so mute point.

If Foster didn't kick goals he'd be an average Winger....but he does kick goals so mute point
If McGuire/Myler weren't the best supporting players....
If Briscoe didn't break tackles
If Sam didn't have his side step

I could go on, it must be the daftest argument when discussing players you can come up with.