The modern 13 plays much more like a 3rd 2nd row these days, that is what we need.

I agree with you. Overrated. No great loss. Jeremy Smith would have shown him up. It might even be a good thing. I'm still not convinced by Widdops kicking game and if crapbanana picks Lomax and he chokes we will need Sinfields kicking or we will get hammered.

But Sinfields never kicked well in an England shirt. Saying that he's probably never been playing in the right position either.

O'Loughlin is rubbish.
O'Loughlin is overrated.

You read it on The Virtual Terrace.

I think if Brough doesnt play then Sinfield has to.

Ive only seen the first half from the Wire/Leeds game but Peacock if continuing in that form has to start with Graham, to offer us some form of presence. Roby picks himself. Back 3 of Ellis, Westwood and Sinfield if no Brough or Ellis, Westwood & Heighington if there is.

I think we need to have more faith in our HB's than reverting to having a LF who's not quite a second rower, and not quite a Stand Off.

I'd go with Heighington, Ellis + Westwood as 11,12 + 13.

HB's likely to be Chase + Widdop, with Tomkins at FB. If we had a hooker like Cam Smith, or Michael Monaghan I'd feel there was enough creativity, but Roby isn't that style of hooker. Try those combinations in a warm up game, if we feel we need a player with a bit more of a kicking game, I'd rather we put Brough in the halves rather than Sinfield at LF.

Why? I've been watching RL for more than 30 years and have seen many great loose forwards. Mr Niggle is not among them.

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It's funny how lots of people think Lockers is overrated. Apart from the England coaches that is.

What would they know compared to all the experts on here.

When I used this ' GB coach selection' argument to support Jon Clarke there were not many takers...................

Not sure where the 'niggle' description come from. I think you need to move on from the O'Loughlin of 5 years ago to the O'Loughlin of today, a very hard-working, devastating tackler with a great pair of hands and a good kicking game when required.

O'Loughlin isn't a Hanley or Reilly. But he's still a fantastic player and he's probably been the first name on Maguire's teamsheet every week.

Anyone who doesn't think he's a big loss to England either doesn't watch much RL, or doesn't understand it.

He might not be an all time great but he is miles better than anything else weve got.

So because people didn't like your argument then, you've decided to do an about turn and use the argument people used against you?