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Quote: Saddened! "James Roby. There is no debate.

5000 metres. 5000. Five THOUSAND metres. FIVE thousand metres. FIVE THOUSAND METRES!!!

OMG!!!

Also done WAY more 40
That 5000m is impressive only due to the fact that Saints play a style which sees them run from dummy half massively more than any other team.

As has been pointed out, Roby has 778 runs from dummy half. That means he is running from dummy half 30 times per game! He makes an average of 5.27m per carry.

Warrington don't play that style, and as a team have made almost 400 fewer runs from dummy half. Monaghan has made 342 runs from dummy half - 13 per game. He makes an average of 5.64m per carry.

Roby's defensive efforts are what stands out for me more than his work with the ball, as he completes around 40 tackles per match.

As for MOS, not overly fussed who wins it, there are probably half a dozen who have a case for it, but I don't buy the fact that it needs to be any more than the best player. Forget the leadership, toughness, respect etc. I'd be happy for any of the mentioned players to get it.

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Quote: Dave T "That 5000m is impressive only due to the fact that Saints play a style which sees them run from dummy half massively more than any other team.

As has been pointed out, Roby has 778 runs from dummy half. That means he is running from dummy half 30 times per game! He makes an average of 5.27m per carry.

Warrington don't play that style, and as a team have made almost 400 fewer runs from dummy half. Monaghan has made 342 runs from dummy half - 13 per game. He makes an average of 5.64m per carry.

Roby's defensive efforts are what stands out for me more than his work with the ball, as he completes around 40 tackles per match.

As for MOS, not overly fussed who wins it, there are probably half a dozen who have a case for it, but I don't buy the fact that it needs to be any more than the best player. Forget the leadership, toughness, respect etc. I'd be happy for any of the mentioned players to get it.'"


I think you are underestimating St Helens as a team and its capabilities here. Saints cover more ground than any other team because they have no real kicking game and have been the top metre makers for the past 4 years including this season. They are averaging 3000+ metres per man and its obvious Roby and Graham are above average as they can exploit gaps quicker both in Superleague and the International game.

I,m "voting" for Roby because whichever way you look at it he's impressive and the opposition is incapable of stopping what he is good at. His discipline is immaculate, plays full on for 80 mins and is truly a world class player respected by all.

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Quote: Judder Man "They are averaging 3000+ metres per man'"


Haha. No.

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Rangi Chase.

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Quote: Wigg'n "Haha. No.'"


3074 metres man game average after 27 games.

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Quote: Judder Man "3074 metres average after 27 games.'"


Have you played every game without subs then? icon_confused.gif

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Quote: Judder Man "A true Man of Steel besides being a very good player and influential, should show great sportmanship, honesty and respect to the opposition and be an ambassador to the game.

Unfortunately Tomkins dosn,t quite fit most of these parameters, the likes of Menzies and Roby do in bucketloads.'"


Morley for me, missed a few games due to doublevision but once he found out how to get it healed and it wouldn't get worse from 80minutes of rugby he jumped back in. Then had the op, then straight back in.

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Quote: Wire In The Final "Morley for me, missed a few games due to doublevision but once he found out how to get it healed and it wouldn't get worse from 80minutes of rugby he jumped back in. Then had the op, then straight back in.'"


LMS is gonna get him.

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Menzies for me. He epitomises everything the MOS should be. Since his introduction into SL he has been consistently one of the best players around. Carried a poor Bradford team and has continued to shine at Cats. If you ever want to teach a youngster how to play the game then he's the perfect role model

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i think it should be awarded to the only player I have ever seen, from being stood still..... look an opposing player in the eyes... and then dive on the floor to avoid being tackled.

now THATS a man of steel.

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Quote: morleys_deckchair "i think it should be awarded to the only player I have ever seen, from being stood still..... look an opposing player in the eyes... and then dive on the floor to avoid being tackled.

now THATS a man of steel.'"


I don't think Chris Riley has played enough games to be considered MOS personally.

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Quote: Wigg'n "I don't think Chris Riley has played enough games to be considered MOS personally.'"

i have never seen Riley commit an act of cowardice on a rugby field.

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Quote: bigtruck "Menzies for me. He epitomises everything the MOS should be. Since his introduction into SL he has been consistently one of the best players around. Carried a poor Bradford team and has continued to shine at Cats. If you ever want to teach a youngster how to play the game then he's the perfect role model'"
Menzies is a great role model, I'd have no complaints with him winning it.

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Quote: morleys_deckchair "i have never seen Riley commit an act of cowardice on a rugby field.'"


It says a lot about you when you call ANY Rugby League player a coward.

Shame on you.

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Quote: Judder Man "I think you are underestimating St Helens as a team and its capabilities here. Saints cover more ground than any other team because they have no real kicking game and have been the top metre makers for the past 4 years including this season. They are averaging 3000+ metres per man and its obvious Roby and Graham are above average as they can exploit gaps quicker both in Superleague and the International game.

I,m "voting" for Roby because whichever way you look at it he's impressive and the opposition is incapable of stopping what he is good at. His discipline is immaculate, plays full on for 80 mins and is truly a world class player respected by all.'"

TBH mate, your post doesn;t really make sense (apart from the Roby stuff - I would have no issue with him winning).

On your first points, again, they make most metres because they carry the ball more. Let's compare the top three teams.

Saints make an extra 27metres per game than Wire, and 54metres per game than Wigan, which is around 4 tackles for Wire and just over a set of 6 for Wigan.
Saints however carry the ball 10 times per game more than Wigan, and 23 times more than Wire. So basically in four sets they make only 27 metres more than Wire.
This is sort of my point, and the point with Roby and Graham. They aren't the best metre makers in the league, they simply are given the ball more whereas others spread the work. Don't get me wrong, these players could easily be descirbed as the hardest working, but metres per carry etc gives a truer reflection. Both Wigan and Wire make more metres per set of 6.

Wire and Wigan make more metres per carry than Saints, and score more tries. Saints obviously keep hold of the ball more because they are getting to the end of their sets more often, as opposed to the other two, who are often finishing sets early with tries.

And finally, if you take each team's top 3 metre makers:

Saints - Roby, Graham, LMS
Wire - Hodgson, Wood, Monagham
Wigan - Tomkins, Richards, Charnley

Saints top 3 make up 30% of their team's total metres and carries. Wire and Wigan's carry for between 20-21% of their team's carries, and between 20-25% of their metres. There is a balance issue with Saints as a team, and this suggests quite the opposite of your original point of the team working hard and all the players doing their bit making the hard yards.

Personally I think it is a slight weakness of the Saints team, that there is an over-reliance of Roby and Graham. These two players actually make more carries than Wire's top 3 combined.

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