Leigh got 2,200 for the visit of Les Cats 2 weeks ago , you managed 3,000 , as I said , well done

You can always get tickets for Manchester United in the champtions league group games. As for the Union cup i've seen plenty of empty seats for group matches.

though it pains me to do so, im going to have to back up the helens supporter on this one. i imagine that a large majority of those who have regularly watched saints in st helens all these years actually walked to the ground,( suddenly expecting them all to get the bus or drive is a big leap to be fair) given that many superleague games take place on friday or saturday evenings it makes it less attractive for all and especially those supporters bringing children along, either you have to drive (which is a financial barrier in itself in these times, and also excludes the possibility of drinking) and pay for the petrol, or get the one bus every hour at that time of night, (buses being even rarer on sundays) which involves the walk to the bus stop in widnes and then from the bus stop to your house when you get to st helens, which probably means you arrive home 2 or 3 hours after the game ends, which in many cases would mean 10:30 - 11:30 pm. its just not pratical for many people.
i also believe saints ticket prices have gone up this year. but i could be wrong about that.
regardless, starbug its just not as simple as 'its only another 4 miles'.

My criticism of the attendance isn't directed at the Challenge Cup tie , a match against lower league opposition will understandably not be a big draw for fans , however generally the Saints fans have not supported their Chairman by deciding not to travel a few miles this season for SL games , for every fan that doesn't make the effort , Mr Mc Manus has to put in their share to make up this years shortfall , it is that which I dont like

3 pages in and still it hasn't turned into a Quins thread- Good job they got beat by Leeds on Fri as they may have got a home tie!

If the problem is with the bus service then why have those thousands of fans that are now not going not contacted the St Helens club to discuss this issue?

For arguments sake if HKR were to start playing games at the KC stadium it would be 6.25 miles from ground to ground, only a couple of miles shorter distance than that of Knowsley Road to the Stobart. I can't obviously tell you how many of our regulars would not go to games because it has not happened yet.

I agree it may not be financially viable to make the journey when you have been used to just walking accross the road with your family but as I say if there were enough people for the club to run coaches surely this would be a good option for them to do and charge say £2 per person £1 children?? The club can't have had much interest in this option because I'm pretty sure I wont be the first one to come up with it!

All this talk of it being a short distance from StHelens to Widnes doesnt take into account that while it may be a short distance in a straight line, they're different towns and public transport links that exist within StHelens dont reach out to Widnes to the same extent. Also, Knowsley Road was a short walk or drive or bus trip for the majority of Saints fans. The Halton Stadium is NOT a short walk, drive or bus trip for the majority of Saints fans.

And, whoever said the new stadium is 4+ miles from Knowsley Road just isnt right. And its considerably closer to the town centre/transport links.

If we start getting 2000 for league games at the new ground i'll be worried, but i dont think thats ever going to happen.

Was nice to see 7 Quins fans turn up at Headingley on Friday

I branded our attendance oringally as embarrassing. 7,147 now doesn't seem bad compared to others.