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| Quote: cjhatesunion "
The RLIF are putting together a decent international scene with the 4 Nations supported by the European and Pacific Cups with the reward of the fourth spot for the 4 Nations and the better planning for the World Cups. Again, I would look further afield and say that it is the clubs and club supporters who are the barriers to international growth
I would love to see a full Kangaroo/Lions tour again and a three match ashes series being played but with the seasons being concurrent in the Northern and Southern hemispheres now that would require a tour in mid season. Of course this is logistically very easy but it will never happen as the clubs and many of the fans would simply not allow it to happen as they would lose their key players for a length of time... that isn’t the RLIF’s fault
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Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
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| Quote: cjhatesunion " total lack of commitment to the international scene.
I am glad too see other people see that the international game is the future,it's just a pity that the RLIF can't see this.'"
Who is ' their ' ?
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9005.jpg kcab sfrawdder
Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg |
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| Quote: Dunbar "The RLIF are putting together a decent international scene with the 4 Nations supported by the European and Pacific Cups with the reward of the fourth spot for the 4 Nations and the better planning for the World Cups. Again, I would look further afield and say that it is the clubs and club supporters who are the barriers to international growth
I would love to see a full Kangaroo/Lions tour again and a three match ashes series being played but with the seasons being concurrent in the Northern and Southern hemispheres now that would require a tour in mid season. Of course this is logistically very easy but it will never happen as the clubs and many of the fans would simply not allow it to happen as they would lose their key players for a length of time... that isn’t the RLIF’s fault'"
So it is the SL clubs fault ?
Not like them to put their own clubs before the ' greater good of the game ' is it ![Rolling Eyes icon_rolleyes.gif](images/smilies//icon_rolleyes.gif)
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| Quote: Starbug "So it is the SL clubs fault ?
Not like them to put their own clubs before the ' greater good of the game ' is it
Not the Super League clubs in particular, but Rugby League clubs and the club fans (it can’t be Super League as this goes back for decades)
I’m not suggesting there is any right or wrong here or apportioning any blame, I am simply saying that in Rugby League the clubs come before the international game and this is the real barrier to the growth of the international scene
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| Quote: Starbug "It isn't as simple as that , there a many other issues including social ones , basically we are no good at any team sport anymore unless we fill it full of players from overseas'"
true enough,but it doesn't HAVE to be that way - clubs are nurturing through their academies which will bear fruit IF and WHEN these clubs ie Wigan,Leeds,Saints,Widnes etc etc have the balls to give these lads the opportunities in the big time rather than taking on some thirty-year old (or near enough) reject from the NRL and farming these young hopefuls into the lower leagues - these overseas oldies are restricting the advancement of the game in the SL and consequently the C & C1
Sam Tomkins was effectively thrown in at the deep-end by default and look at his progress - we have the talent,let's give it a chance
The County Championship of cricket is failing to develop their youngsters because of the counties continuing to employ the likes of Ramprakesh etc etc - it's holding up the progress of the game
what are the 'social issues' ?
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9005.jpg kcab sfrawdder
Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg |
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| Quote: Dunbar "Not the Super League clubs in particular, but Rugby League clubs and the club fans (it can’t be Super League as this goes back for decades)
I’m not suggesting there is any right or wrong here or apportioning any blame, I am simply saying that in Rugby League the clubs come before the international game and this is the real barrier to the growth of the international scene'"
Well it isn't the likes of Leigh , Batley and Rochdale that are supplying the players who cant get anywhere near the Aussies , is it , so I'll give you the benifit of the doubt , just the last 15 years then
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| Quote: Starbug "Well it isn't the likes of Leigh , Batley and Rochdale that are supplying the players who cant get anywhere near the Aussies , is it , so I'll give you the benifit of the doubt , just the last 15 years then'"
To be honest, I think I’m looking at a slightly bigger picture than you here. I’m not even talking about the results, I’m talking about attitudes that are prevalent throughout the whole of Rugby League
Again, to stress, I am not attributing any right or wrong – simply stating what I see as the biggest barrier to international growth
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9005.jpg kcab sfrawdder
Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg |
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| Quote: sanjunien "true enough,but it doesn't HAVE to be that way - clubs are nurturing through their academies which will bear fruit IF and WHEN these clubs ie Wigan,Leeds,Saints,Widnes etc etc have the balls to give these lads the opportunities in the big time rather than taking on some thirty-year old (or near enough) reject from the NRL and farming these young hopefuls into the lower leagues - these overseas oldies are restricting the advancement of the game in the SL and consequently the C & C1 Sam Tomkins was effectively thrown in at the deep-end by default and look at his progress - we have the talent,let's give it a chance
The County Championship of cricket is failing to develop their youngsters because of the counties continuing to employ the likes of Ramprakesh etc etc - it's holding up the progress of the game
what are the 'social issues' ?'"
So how does SL clubs having loads of aussies restrict the Championships
The social issues are the lack of proper competitive sport played in schools , were ' winning and losing ' arent allowed anymore
Plus us all being afraid of letting our kids out through the door to play in the street for fear of them being abducted ![Rolling Eyes icon_rolleyes.gif](images/smilies//icon_rolleyes.gif)
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| Quote: Dunbar "Not the Super League clubs in particular, but Rugby League clubs and the club fans (it can’t be Super League as this goes back for decades)
I’m not suggesting there is any right or wrong here or apportioning any blame, I am simply saying that in Rugby League the clubs come before the international game and this is the real barrier to the growth of the international scene'"
how can anyone disagree with that ?
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9005.jpg kcab sfrawdder
Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg |
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| Quote: Dunbar "To be honest, I think I’m looking at a slightly bigger picture than you here. I’m not even talking about the results, I’m talking about attitudes that are prevalent throughout the whole of Rugby LeagueAgain, to stress, I am not attributing any right or wrong – simply stating what I see as the biggest barrier to international growth'"
The attitude of who , to what ?
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| Quote: Starbug "The attitude of who , to what ?'"
OK, I will say it one more time... the attitude of the Rugby League professional clubs and their fans to the international scene
The home nations in Rugby Union will play 9 internationals ‘during’ the season (4 Autumn internationals and 5 Six Nations games) in which the professional clubs lose their best players for these games
Can you imagine the outcry from the clubs and the fans if this were to happen in RL? It doesn’t matter what type of international programme is put together, if the people inside the sport don’t commit to it, how can we expect to capture the wider sporting public?
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Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg |
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| Quote: Dunbar "OK, I will say it one more time... the attitude of the Rugby League professional clubs and their fans to the international sceneThe home nations in Rugby Union will play 9 internationals ‘during’ the season (4 Autumn internationals and 5 Six Nations games) in which the professional clubs lose their best players for these games
Can you imagine the outcry from the clubs and the fans if this were to happen in RL? It doesn’t matter what type of international programme is put together, if the people inside the sport don’t commit to it, how can we expect to capture the wider sporting public?'"
And I'll say it one more time
We DONT have an international ' scene ' , we never have had an International ' Scene '
We ' England/GB only have 2 teams that can beat us [ and we cant beat them when it matters ] and then there isn't any other team anywhere near beating us
So we dont have a ' competition ' , and as all us non SL fans keep telling those that will listen , it is ' competition ' that gets people interested , if you dont have that [ ie everybody knows who is going to win , like the Challenge Cup against non SL opposition ] then people dont turn up
It is a ' chicken and egg ' situation , which comes first , people [ fans ,clubs , club owners , players even ] getting interested , or us either beating the Aussies/kiwi's or other countries being able to beat us
Until one or the other happens , nobody will give a toss , I certainly dont
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| Quote: Starbug "And I'll say it one more time
We DONT have an international ' scene ' , we never have had an International ' Scene '
We ' England/GB only have 2 teams that can beat us [ and we cant beat them when it matters ] and then there isn't any other team anywhere near beating us
So we dont have a ' competition ' , and as all us non SL fans keep telling those that will listen , it is ' competition ' that gets people interested , if you dont have that [ ie everybody knows who is going to win , like the Challenge Cup against non SL opposition ] then people dont turn up
It is a ' chicken and egg ' situation , which comes first , people [ fans ,clubs , club owners , players even ] getting interested , or us either beating the Aussies/kiwi's or other countries being able to beat us
Until one or the other happens , nobody will give a toss , I certainly dont'"
![Rolling Eyes icon_rolleyes.gif](images/smilies//icon_rolleyes.gif) Blinkered.
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Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg |
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| Quote: Dunbar "OK, I will say it one more time... the attitude of the Rugby League professional clubs and their fans to the international scene
The home nations in Rugby Union will play 9 internationals ‘during’ the season (4 Autumn internationals and 5 Six Nations games) in which the professional clubs lose their best players for these games
Can you imagine the outcry from the clubs and the fans if this were to happen in RL? It doesn’t matter what type of international programme is put together, if the people inside the sport don’t commit to it, how can we expect to capture the wider sporting public?[/quote]
I dont , because we wont
Ever
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| Quote: Starbug "And I'll say it one more time
We DONT have an international ' scene ' , we never have had an International ' Scene '
We ' England/GB only have 2 teams that can beat us [ and we cant beat them when it matters ] and then there isn't any other team anywhere near beating us
So we dont have a ' competition ' , and as all us non SL fans keep telling those that will listen , it is ' competition ' that gets people interested , if you dont have that [ ie everybody knows who is going to win , like the Challenge Cup against non SL opposition ] then people dont turn up
It is a ' chicken and egg ' situation , which comes first , people [ fans ,clubs , club owners , players even ] getting interested , or us either beating the Aussies/kiwi's or other countries being able to beat us
Until one or the other happens , nobody will give a toss , I certainly dont'"
Again it goes back to attitude (which I have to say you are demonstrating perfectly)
I started my posts on this thread by reminding everybody that the Irish and Scottish Union teams have never beaten the New Zealand All Blacks ever. That’s right, never beaten them in the hundred plus years of internationals
The Italian team was invited into the Five Nations and were battered every game and yet there was no call for them to be thrown out... no, they were the ‘gallant’ underdogs that everybody supported
England beat France heavily and there are calls never to play them again. On the contrary, we should play regular three match series against the French to put international Rugby League at the forefront of the sport... persevere with it and the competitive matches will follow and the sport will grow, on both sides of the Channel
Or we could just sit back with a defeatist and negative... oh, what’s the word... yes, attitude!
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