Joel Tomkins will be an international backrower, it's just way too early for him. Give him another year and he might be up to the physicality of it and the discipline required in defense.

I spent all game hoping to see his special move, the kick to the head of the ball carrier at the PTB. I was praying for it a few times.

Debatable, I think Goulding was at more fault. Briscoe as well. Both Wings were poor, and get this - Little Sam Tompkins is out of depth there. Get him to an NRL club fast. We need a full back thats bulkier than him.

He was only as good as the stats tell you-Do you agree there was a difference with regards to performance between the 2 accepting the stats look similar.

Would you also agree that Joel is not Int standard accepting he was as bad as Ellis if that helps you with your pie eyed decision making?

I said it after the last test. This one underlined it.

Sam Tomkins is neither big enough nor quick enough to trouble the Aussies at FB or SO. Fifteen years ago he'd have had a field day. But in this age of supergiant sprinters he's massively out-gunned.

Slater is hardly the Hulk!!!!! but a brilliant FB. Size only matters in the bed, dont believe what you read!

There's a famous little song that sums Ryan Atkins up completely"I could wile away the hours
Conferrin' with the flowers
Consultin' with the rain
And my head I'd be scratchin'
While my thoughts were busy hatchin'
If I only had a brain"[/i

McNamara must have been ripped on acid when he scrawled his name on the teamsheet.

Made me lauch anyway

I have seen this cr*p written about cudjoe by a few people. Do they know nothing about defending in RL?

Cudjoe was not hesitant defending this play. Quite the contrary. He showed good line speed and moved up quickly on Tonga. He made the mistake of trusting that his inside defender would move up as quickly and close down Lewis. Sadly the inside defender was appallingly slow and did not even attempt a meaningful tackle leaving a gap. from that point on he is left wondering whether his inside defender will do his job. (Later Cudjoe shoud have contested the loose ball more aggressively)

Correct on both counts.

Agreed it was O'loughlins fault and hes normally rock solid defensively.

Too true.

Some people think Tom Briscoe can do no wrong when for the 2nd week running he did sweet FA. How people can give him a better rating than Goulding is beyond me. Briscoe made 3 runs the entire game ffs and was at fault for tries. 3 runs for a wingers is shocking.

Goulding did nothing wrong, bar 1 knock on when the ball was actually stripped, and wasnt at fault for any tries. Goulding won 2 penalties with clever dummy half runs, one of which led to a try, made more than twice as many runs as Briscoe and more than twice as many metres whilst also making more tackles. Indeed Goulding made more metres than any other back. This is despite being injured for most of the second half. Goulding was also much better than Briscoe last week.

It was his fault up to a point - does not help when he is played out of position!

Goulding and Atkins should'nt get anywhere near a International set up again. Cudjoe might be lucky to get called up.

Ben Harrison looked fat and slow tonight, maybe carrying a injury ?

We losed the game with our kicking game once again, if only we had Sinfield and Eastmond fit.

Famous-Do you see everything through cherry and white hoops?

Cite/criticise individuals all you want. The simple fact of the matter is individually, and collectively we aren't good enough for multiple reasons.