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| the maths is not all that hard to believe
2008, turnover 900,000 loss of roughly 1,000,000, means in 2008 we had expenses of 1.9 million
2009 turnover 2,500,000 profit of roughly 1,000,000 means in 2009 we had expenses of 1.5 million
so we cut costs by 400k, and increased revenue by 1.6 million, this would have been helped by the nrc final win, the set up of the lottery, the opening of the club shop and o'neill deals.
takes alot of hard work but the numbers are not the sort that are out of reach
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[quote="tb":24qn1m99]Tough. Conversations develop. It's their nature.[/quote:24qn1m99]
Little Pepe went to nursery school one day wearing his Widnes hat. His teacher asked him why he was a Widnes fan. He said, “Because my parents are.” His teacher said, “That’s not good. What would you do if your parents were drug dealers and hookers?” He replied, “Well then I would be a Warrington fan.”
[i:24qn1m99]There's a Wooly over there, baggy kecks and feathered hair
with a 3 star jumper half way up his back, that’s a fecking Wooly back![/i:24qn1m99]
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| Quote: Starbug "Come on Chris , I know your going into SL next march ,but please don't turn into SL fans before you even get the nod
You are not stupid enough to believe that a club can maintain roughly the same attendances , sponsorship and turnover and yet make a 2 million turnaround in it's profits , it works out at 80 percent of it,s turnover , those would be the most incredible figures ever posted in pro sport , or even any business for that matter
last year I was defending your figures for the million loss to fans who were suggesting a problem , this now explains those figures
Clever , but ever so naughty as well , Mr O Connor is learning fast how to bull ----'"
The £million pound debt was down to the massive restructuring the club went through when SOC took over. In addition, the club also paid several debts off from the old regime.
Widnes don’t just rely on their crowds. They have several new sponsorships this season, the shop is doing a roaring trade, the ‘Dream Ticket’ lottery, Viqi and club fundraisers are all getting stronger.
SOC had to hit the ground running when he took over the club. He has now had another year to fine-tune the business.
Perhaps you could put forward some sort of reasonable argument for you accusations. I’m not asking for a link, just a f*****g argument!
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| Quote: vikinggriff1979 "the maths is not all that hard to believe
2008, turnover 900,000 loss of roughly 1,000,000, means in 2008 we had expenses of 1.9 million
2009 turnover 2,500,000 profit of roughly 1,000,000 means in 2009 we had expenses of 1.5 million
so we cut costs by 400k, and increased revenue by 1.6 million, this would have been helped by the nrc final win, the set up of the lottery, the opening of the club shop and o'neill deals.
takes alot of hard work but the numbers are not the sort that are out of reach'"
or you essentially borrow a million off the club in year one and then pay it
back in year two , all on paper of course
No way have you increased your turnover by 160 percent , even if you had made the Challenge cup final and doubled your attendances you wouldn't,t have done that
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world champs when it wasn't a pre season friendly: |
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| Quote: Starbug "or you essentially borrow a million off the club in year one and then pay it
back in year two , all on paper of course
No way have you increased your turnover by 160 percent , even if you had made the Challenge cup final and doubled your attendances you wouldn't,t have done that'"
i'm sorry, but could you point out exactly which financial reporting standard or international reporting standard allows a company to treat borrowing as turnover? i'll give you a clue, its frs 5 Quote: Starbug "FRS 5 'Reporting the Substance of Transactions'. The Application Note is concerned with the reporting of turnover - 'the top line' of the profit and loss account. Entities should report turnover only when they have performed in accordance with the contractual arrangements with their customers. Guidance is also given on the measurement of turnover where there are deferred payment terms or where there is a significant risk about the customer's ability to pay. '"
or any accountant on the planet who would even consider allowing the practice given the legal implications involved?
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| Quote: Starbug "or you essentially borrow a million off the club in year one and then pay it
back in year two , all on paper of course
No way have you increased your turnover by 160 percent , even if you had made the Challenge cup final and doubled your attendances you wouldn't,t have done that'"
I agree, it all looks very dubious.
there's no way a lottery scheme and a club shop has increased turnover that much.
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On thread drift:
[quote="tb":24qn1m99]Tough. Conversations develop. It's their nature.[/quote:24qn1m99]
Little Pepe went to nursery school one day wearing his Widnes hat. His teacher asked him why he was a Widnes fan. He said, “Because my parents are.” His teacher said, “That’s not good. What would you do if your parents were drug dealers and hookers?” He replied, “Well then I would be a Warrington fan.”
[i:24qn1m99]There's a Wooly over there, baggy kecks and feathered hair
with a 3 star jumper half way up his back, that’s a fecking Wooly back![/i:24qn1m99]
[b:24qn1m99]Oooh-to… Oooh-to-be… Oooh-to-be-a… WOOLY![/b:24qn1m99]:24307.jpg |
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| Quote: vikinggriff1979 "i'm sorry, but could you point out exactly which financial reporting standard or international reporting standard allows a company to treat borrowing as turnover? i'll give you a clue, its frs 5 or any accountant on the planet who would even consider allowing the practice given the legal implications involved?'"
Plus these are pre-tax profits. If SOC is fiddling the books he is robbing himself of a lot of money that will have to be handed over to the taxman from that £1million profit.
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On thread drift:
[quote="tb":24qn1m99]Tough. Conversations develop. It's their nature.[/quote:24qn1m99]
Little Pepe went to nursery school one day wearing his Widnes hat. His teacher asked him why he was a Widnes fan. He said, “Because my parents are.” His teacher said, “That’s not good. What would you do if your parents were drug dealers and hookers?” He replied, “Well then I would be a Warrington fan.”
[i:24qn1m99]There's a Wooly over there, baggy kecks and feathered hair
with a 3 star jumper half way up his back, that’s a fecking Wooly back![/i:24qn1m99]
[b:24qn1m99]Oooh-to… Oooh-to-be… Oooh-to-be-a… WOOLY![/b:24qn1m99]:24307.jpg |
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| Quote: UllFC "I agree, it all looks very dubious.
there's no way a lottery scheme and a club shop has increased turnover that much.'"
Not on its own no, but that is not all there is to increase profits.
How much are our sponsors putting in?
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| Quote: Pepe "Plus these are pre-tax profits. If SOC is fiddling the books he is robbing himself of a lot of money that will have to be handed over to the taxman from that £1million profit.'"
actually, given the losses last year, its likely that we had large taxable losses brought forward to ofset against this years profit. so tax would be less than you would expect
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| I'd like to see the naysayers actually spell out and prove how it's not possible rather than just say it's not. I didn't expect anything but bleating from certain quarters but facts are a bit more interesting to argue against, rather than responding to a few miserable tw*ts who have turned hoping something's not true into fact.
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| Why there mid table fev have won the league they should be promoted why should widnes be giving the right just because they have a good stadium and a very clever acountant that doesn't give them a god given right to go into super league
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On thread drift:
[quote="tb":24qn1m99]Tough. Conversations develop. It's their nature.[/quote:24qn1m99]
Little Pepe went to nursery school one day wearing his Widnes hat. His teacher asked him why he was a Widnes fan. He said, “Because my parents are.” His teacher said, “That’s not good. What would you do if your parents were drug dealers and hookers?” He replied, “Well then I would be a Warrington fan.”
[i:24qn1m99]There's a Wooly over there, baggy kecks and feathered hair
with a 3 star jumper half way up his back, that’s a fecking Wooly back![/i:24qn1m99]
[b:24qn1m99]Oooh-to… Oooh-to-be… Oooh-to-be-a… WOOLY![/b:24qn1m99]:24307.jpg |
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| Quote: hullkrforever "Why there mid table fev have won the league they should be promoted why should widnes be giving the right just because they have a good stadium and a very clever acountant that doesn't give them a god given right to go into super league'"
Did the last two years just pass you by?
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| Quote: hullkrforever "Why there mid table fev have won the league they should be promoted why should widnes be giving the right just because they have a good stadium and a very clever acountant that doesn't give them a god given right to go into super league'"
for christ sake, Do you know the rules regarding promotion and relegation in it's current form?
Im assuming you are completely ignorant of the process involved or you would not need to ask that question. Fev fail at every other aspect of the SL application process, They still have not earned the right to apply. they have a good team, and as a club are one of my fav clubs but they are not yet strong enough for SL.
Hell if we are asking dumb questions like that, then why are cats not getting relegated if they remain in bottom spot?
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| I know that but Iam just stating that it's a idiotic way for promotion and relagation and just because you have the stadium is stupid these teams like fev etc have nothing to play for were as widnes could finish bottom play a load of part timers save there cash and instantly get into super league because of a stadium and then spend there full cap because they have instant credit for employing part timers
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| Quote: hullkrforever "I know that but Iam just stating that it's a idiotic way for promotion and relagation and just because you have the stadium is stupid these teams like fev etc have nothing to play for were as widnes could finish bottom play a load of part timers save there cash and instantly get into super league because of a stadium and then spend there full cap because they have instant credit for employing part timers'"
We spent the full cap. Unlike some others, we spent some of it investing in players from our academy. We also had a terrible injury list. But this whole sitting back accusation we've been hearing is nonsense. We spent the full cap, end of.
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9005.jpg kcab sfrawdder
Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg |
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| Quote: Chris Dalton "We spent the full cap. Unlike some others, we spent some of it investing in players from our academy. We also had a terrible injury list. But this whole sitting back accusation we've been hearing is nonsense. We spent the full cap, end of.'"
Academy doesn't,t count on cap Chris , but with all that turnover and profit you should be ok
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