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| Quote: dally messenger "well if you had P&R in, barrow would be in SL now at the cost of widnes.'"
Barrow won a comp in which it was known from the outset that there would be no promotion to SL.
If that incentive had have been there then the other clubs would likely have prioritised differently.
Featherstone, Halifax, Widnes or even 'relegated' Leigh might have got promotion by spending more on their squads than they did. |
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Quote: Viking Vengeance "He didnt say that they folded. He said they failed. In South Wales, they FAILED. For what its worth, IMO, they will fail in N Wales too.
The scorpions should be allowed to grow organically, rather than being thrown into the spotlight like Crusaders were. The Scorpions will be all the stronger for it, if they survive.'"
They didnt fail, the old owner wanted to sell the club, the new buyer wanted to move the club to a new location which he had every right to do seen as he is the owner of the club.
This below shows the hypocrisy of widnes fans. They dont want scorpions to be in SL because the club has only been in existence for six months. However they all had a massive paddy for a year when they didnt get into SL after only been in existence for a few months due to the previous club they supported FAILED
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The stadium is an appropriate size and well appointed following significant investment in recent years. The club has been in the difficult position of seeking to take into account the club’s historical attendance and playing records but naturally distancing itself from the previous regime’s financial record. The current company has only been in existence for a few months following insolvency in October 2007. Early indications are that under new ownership the club has made very good progress so far and has attracted good sponsors and the support of the local authority. The club has maintained a reasonable playing infrastructure despite being in the National League but this would require further investment to ensure that they could be competitive in Super League particularly within Club Trained rules.[/i
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Quote: Viking Vengeance "He didnt say that they folded. He said they failed. In South Wales, they FAILED. For what its worth, IMO, they will fail in N Wales too.
The scorpions should be allowed to grow organically, rather than being thrown into the spotlight like Crusaders were. The Scorpions will be all the stronger for it, if they survive.'"
They didnt fail, the old owner wanted to sell the club, the new buyer wanted to move the club to a new location which he had every right to do seen as he is the owner of the club.
This below shows the hypocrisy of widnes fans. They dont want scorpions to be in SL because the club has only been in existence for six months. However they all had a massive paddy for a year when they didnt get into SL after only been in existence for a few months due to the previous club they supported FAILED
[iWIDNES VIKINGS
The stadium is an appropriate size and well appointed following significant investment in recent years. The club has been in the difficult position of seeking to take into account the club’s historical attendance and playing records but naturally distancing itself from the previous regime’s financial record. The current company has only been in existence for a few months following insolvency in October 2007. Early indications are that under new ownership the club has made very good progress so far and has attracted good sponsors and the support of the local authority. The club has maintained a reasonable playing infrastructure despite being in the National League but this would require further investment to ensure that they could be competitive in Super League particularly within Club Trained rules.[/i
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I don't know what's going on. Very poor. But what I do know is that there are two or three SL clubs who would have brought in even less through the gate than Widnes did last night.
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| Quote: Scorpions for SL "They didnt fail, the old owner wanted to sell the club, the new buyer wanted to move the club to a new location which he had every right to do seen as he is the owner of the club.'"
So the current club in South Wales playing in C1 should be up to SL standard pretty quickly then, given that they're occupying that successful spot (location) that didn't fail?
Actually, my rubbish sarcasm aside, that would be a good thing - two Welsh clubs in SL. It would lay down a marker that RL means business in that country. I'm not sure it will happen in the short term though. |
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Attendances for cup rugby these days are down across the board. Compare what SL sides get for league games to their home challenge cup games, it's always seems to be a few thousand less (even more of a drop for TV games) and that same sort of ratio was reflected at Widnes last night. I can't understand it - I love cup rugby but it seems most other fans prefer the league games these days. Could be cost I guess, me, wife + lad was £30 last night. Money well spent for me, but I can well understand other fans having different priorities, espeically with it being on TV.
Anyway, if we get to Blackpool there will be four or five thousand Widnes fans and last nights attendence will probably be forgotten.
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| Quote: littlerich "So the current club in South Wales playing in C1 should be up to SL standard pretty quickly then, given that they're occupying that successful spot (location) that didn't fail?
Actually, my rubbish sarcasm aside, that would be a good thing - two Welsh clubs in SL. It would lay down a marker that RL means business in that country. I'm not sure it will happen in the short term though.'"
Yes the location is successful, the whole squad is locally produced players who are already being poached by SL clubs.
I agree two Welsh clubs would be great for RL in the country. I agree not in the short term also, ive never said Scorpions should go for 2012, on other threads people have unsuccessfully tried to ridicule a 2015 bid, when this is very achievable for the Scorpions. If SL was to have two French as well as Welsh clubs, rugby league would be able to have serious international competitions eg Six Nations. International rugby is where the big money is and the easiest way to grow the sport and get new people involved in it. |
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| Quote: Scorpions for SL "International rugby is where the big money is and the easiest way to grow the sport and get new people involved in it.'"
.................and i'd hazard a guess that it would unlock more BskyB money. It's a long road. |
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| Quote: Scorpions for SL "Yes the location is successful, the whole squad is locally produced players who are already being poached by SL clubs.
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Who cares how many kids theyre producing? Nobody turned out to watch Crusaders in S Wales other than the away fans who made the trip down there. The media was pretty indifferent towards them and they couldnt find the commercial sponsorship and facilities they needed. Just a few of the many reason why, they FAILED in S Wales.
Widnes's money problems were started, in a large part, to a crooked chairman who as we understand it put us a million pounds in debt including illegally using the club to buy and trade 2million pounds worth of merchandise whilst avoiding applicable UK tax regulations. This was followed by an over-spend in an effort to achieve SL status by our previous owners. To compare the two clubs issues is, quite frankly, pathetic. |
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kcab sfrawdder
Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg |
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| Quote: Scorpions for SL "Yes the location is successful, the whole squad is locally produced players who are already being poached by SL clubs.
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Lets just get it right , they haven produced anybody yet , what they have done is get existing RU players to play RL , VT rules dictate that only when you bring players through from age 8 can you claim them as your own , so a big well done to your local amatuer Union teams , not the Skorpions |
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Quote: Viking Vengeance "Who cares how many kids theyre producing? Nobody turned out to watch Crusaders in S Wales other than the away fans who made the trip down there. The media was pretty indifferent towards them and they couldnt find the commercial sponsorship and facilities they needed. Just a few of the many reason why, they FAILED in S Wales.
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Who cares how many players theyre producing  yeeaahh great come back.
Attendances wasnt great but it didnt help they were getting stuffed every week. And they compare reasonably well with these.
www.slstats.org/t14/Leigh+Centur ... mmary.html
And to those who are claiming it will fail in north Wales
www.slstats.org/t45/Crusaders+Ru ... mmary.html |
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Quote: Viking Vengeance "Who cares how many kids theyre producing? Nobody turned out to watch Crusaders in S Wales other than the away fans who made the trip down there. The media was pretty indifferent towards them and they couldnt find the commercial sponsorship and facilities they needed. Just a few of the many reason why, they FAILED in S Wales.
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Who cares how many players theyre producing yeeaahh great come back.
Attendances wasnt great but it didnt help they were getting stuffed every week. And they compare reasonably well with these.
www.slstats.org/t14/Leigh+Centur ... mmary.html
And to those who are claiming it will fail in north Wales
www.slstats.org/t45/Crusaders+Ru ... mmary.html | |
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| Quote: Starbug "Lets just get it right , they haven produced anybody yet , what they have done is get existing RU players to play RL , VT rules dictate that only when you bring players through from age 8 can you claim them as your own , so a big well done to your local amatuer Union teams , not the Skorpions'"
 Nice try but thats simply not true. There are loads of clubs and rugby league players throughout south Wales. They are not all simply union converts. Even with the ones that are union converts, so what? They are now successful rugby league players so whats your problem with that? |
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kcab sfrawdder
Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg |
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| Quote: Scorpions for SL "
I dont make the rules , but that is how it is
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| Quote: "And to those who are claiming it will fail in north Wales ![]()
And tell us how many of the crowd against Leeds, Hull and Wigan were home supporters. Go on, tell us.... i cant wait.
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| Quote: Viking Vengeance "And tell us how many of the crowd against Leeds, Hull and Wigan were home supporters. Go on, tell us.... i cant wait.'"
Vast majority were home fans. Are you seriously suggesting leeds took 10000 away supporters???? About 1500 of that crowd were away fans. |
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kcab sfrawdder
Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg |
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| Quote: Viking Vengeance "And tell us how many of the crowd against Leeds, Hull and Wigan were home supporters. Go on, tell us.... i cant wait.'"
Why are you bothering ? |
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