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| Quote: Mark_W "Why is it Benefit of the doubt to the attacking team? '"
Because that's the rules??
I'm a salford fan who desperately wanted that try not to be given, but same as Iain, it was the decision I expected being at the ground - and I think the correct one
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| Quote: RampageJackson " benefit of the doubt to the attacking team'"
Sometimes....
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| Quote: Mark_W "Why is it Benefit of the doubt to the attacking team? If no one can see if the ball was grounded surely it should benefit of doubt to the defending team i.e. held up'"
Because as has already been stated: reason must be found to disallow a try, if no reason can be found to disallow, then a try is awarded.
How can you give "benefit of doubt" to something that may have happened to disallow the try but you have zero evidence of it happening?
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| Quote: chissitt "The rules state that it is a try unless you can offer firm evidence to the contrary, and there was no indication that he had not got it down. I'm with you btw I dont think he scored either.'"
Which rules are those?
And if you don't think he scored, as would any fair person, then what sort of rule is it that contradicts reason?
Quote: chissitt "But there was a shot where you couldnt see the ball, now im with you i dont think he got it down either but the rules say its a try, so it was the right call'"
if he didn't get it down, then it's (obviously) the wrong call!
And the fact that the ball can't be seen in every frame is irrelevant. The evidence the VR has to go on is that the ball is on top of the defender's leg, and then a second later it has travelled up and is well clear of the ground. What I am saying is that you need to speculate that somehow, he got the ball through the defender's leg (impossible) or else found some other way to move it sideways around the leg to ground it, in the short time before it ended up visible 'on top'. This isn't 'benefit of the doubt' There was nothing at all to support such wild speculation. The only evidence (and clear evidence) was that the ball was plainly not in contact with the ground and valid reason (defender's leg) to suggest it never was even in the second it was out of view.
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| It just goes to show we are playing to two different sets of rules in Super League.
Games with the VR
Games without the VR.
Either All games should have one, or NO games should have one.
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| Or two games a week should have one.
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| Quote: Dico "Or two games a week should have one.'"
So you advocate a two tier rules? With those unlucky enough not to have the VR (Or lucky enough, depending on your PoV) playing to a different set of rules to the rest of the weeks games?
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| Quote: Code13 "It just goes to show we are playing to two different sets of rules in Super League.
Games with the VR
Games without the VR.
Either All games should have one, or NO games should have one.'"
you make the false assumption that all games with the VR are played to the same "rules" - and that all games without the VR are played to the same "rules"
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| No, but it is far less subjective to say that the VR games are reffed to different rules.
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| Quote: Code13 "No, but it is far less subjective to say that the VR games are reffed to different rules.'"
and by less officials who thought that was a good idea?!
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| Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "Which rules are those?
And if you don't think he scored, as would any fair person, then what sort of rule is it that contradicts reason?
if he didn't get it down, then it's (obviously) the wrong call!
And the fact that the ball can't be seen in every frame is irrelevant. The evidence the VR has to go on is that the ball is on top of the defender's leg, and then a second later it has travelled up and is well clear of the ground. What I am saying is that you need to speculate that somehow, he got the ball through the defender's leg (impossible) or else found some other way to move it sideways around the leg to ground it, in the short time before it ended up visible 'on top'. This isn't 'benefit of the doubt' There was nothing at all to support such wild speculation. The only evidence (and clear evidence) was that the ball was plainly not in contact with the ground and valid reason (defender's leg) to suggest it never was even in the second it was out of view.'" whats to say the tip of the ball didnt hit the ground? we couldnt see in the frames available?
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| Quote: Code13 "It just goes to show we are playing to two different sets of rules in Super League.
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yep you said it
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| Quote: chissitt "The rules state that it is a try unless you can offer firm evidence to the contrary, and there was no indication that he had not got it down. I'm with you btw I dont think he scored either.'"
Which is fine, IF that rule is followed consistently throughout the season. But when even the same video ref as not done that, then it is a cause for concern.
The fact that the obstruction try could be argued as incorrect is just clutching at straws from Saints fans. That sort of incident has been dissallowed consistently throughout the season, and therefore there was no way he was going to give that one. This smacks in contradiction to the benefit of doubt one.
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| Quote: Leaguefan "sleepy.gif
Are you suggesting a person sitting down and watching a tv screen cant make accurate decisions? if so you are in agreement with the majority of the posters int he thread
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