its funny how you always respond to my posts given some of your personal attacks

it must hurt having someone from another country knowing more about your game than you do

if only you didnt think about your own small club and the whole game, youd progress

current London RL fans = 3000
if they can get a link up with a soccer side surely they can get 3000 new fans

throw in away fans and thats a pretty strong franchise.

fulham was the most succesful London RL club. the problem was when Fulfham FC got promoted to PL and the yo yo existence of the RL team saw a loss in crowds

heck some of their crowds outside the top division were almost double todays SL crowds

the quins brand just hasnt caught on. so perhaps getting soccer fans in is better.

and brentford was just a ground share. im not talking ground share

I agree (god and it hurts typing that).....a tie in with a london Soccer club may work, but the reason the Quins tie in hasn't worked has NOTHING TO DO WITH UNION, GROUND SITUATION OR ANY OTHER LAME EXCUSE!
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sorrry.....it's just...I mean....., what I wanted to say was...oh wtf...MARKETING!

I seem to remember you guys getting a pretty healthy following some years back when you played at The Valley. Now Charlton are a 'lower league' team, maybe thats an option to look at and please drop the Quins name its crap.

FulhamCrusaderBroncoQuinBroncos....Rugby League you mean? Brilliant.........move fail move fail move fail.......sorry, but this is it for a SL team from London this time around. If we do get booted out, then it will take 10 years before they try again. Quins is a good ground, a very well known brand and they were very welcoming for the first 3 years.......the RL management on the other hand have managed to f*ck that up and we now pay rent (again) where we could have remained partners.......and all because we didn't build crowds.
How hard is it for people to see......or am I just the only one that thinks you need to market something before people know it exists?......

seriously if the club cant get union ST interested in RL in summer its not going to work

wrexham shows how it can work easily

so did fulham

no separate names, or colours. same as a soccer side and itll go fine

quins just seems like its too much of a struggle

if wrexham works out well, i expect more lower division soccer sides to want to do the same thing.

How many clubs do you expect to be up for sale, lock stock and barrel, for their chairman to buy (nb, it's an individual who bought the Crusaders, not Wrexham FC)?

it only takes one club

the economics for a SL club could be more compelling for smaller soccer teams than premier league

i keep going back to fulham being so succesful vs all the other guises london SL clubs have taken

So successful that Mr Clay sold it off and through them out of the ground?

as ive said before, the crowds fulham got OUTSIDE the top division were bigger than they get today in SL.

prior to fulham being promoted it was always happy days for everyone

there would be quite a few london soccer sides without realistic chances for Premier league

if wrexham continues as it is, im sure lewis will take note if quins fail

I think one of the problems Quins have is that there isn't that default fondness towards rugby league that you get in the north.

For example, Wakey have a hardcore, week in, week out support of 5,000. If we string together a few good weeks or have a decent fixture, a few more will come out of hiding and watch, because people in Wakefield like rugby league as it has been part of the city for over a hundred years, is played in the schools, and everyone knows someone who goes to games regularly and talks the sport. Salford is ths same. The hardcore support is lower, but people in Salford and Manchester are prepared to like rugby league. They have done in the past, and are aware of the sport. They just don't want to go to an iffy part of town and watch a poor game. When they move, there is every chance that the people of Salford and Manchester will turn up, as it will get good coverage in the North West and there is an inbuilt willingness to like the sport.

The problem the Quins have is that the average Joe Public in London doesn't have that default willingness to like the sport and thus is less likely to go along unless they have taken a keen interest in the television version. I'm not sure a successful Quins would have much of an impact either, for the same reason. A successful Salford would begin to fill The Willows, and may well fill the new stadium.

Having said that, I want Quins to do well. As someone has said though, would they do better hosting competitive Championship games? Would the game in the south suffer if rather than a failing London club there were more competitive and successful southern town clubs? As far as I understand, there are some real pockets of amateur success in the south. Would there be an appetite for a professional club?