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| Quote: captaincaveman "
this is expansion RFL style. zero input into the infrastructure required to sustain a top level club. nothing going into schools development or helping promote the amateur game in these areas.
where do they think the players will come from?
its a classic inverted pyramid scenario, top heavy with no foundations. thought the people running the game were intelligent business people
Is this supposed to be a critique of the Catalans entrance into SL? If so you've got nothing right.
The Perpignan club and St. Estève who merged to form the Dragons have a long history in RL, going back to just after the end of the second world war. The whole area is a heartland of the game, complete with a semi pro league set up, several amateur clubs and schools, all playing the game. The RFL has nothing to do; the French RL has already done it.
This is where the players will come from. Infinitely better than the previous scenario where young French RL players had to move over to RU if they wanted to play as full time professionals. Not what I'd call "top heavy", on the contrary it's very well founded on a very solid basis.
It's important to remember too how a stronger European set up helps the British game, it's far from being just altruistic. With a strong France there is strong competition for England on the European scene and this will (hopefully) translate into a better prepared England for games against Australia and NZ. All this is one further reason to support them, alongside the fact that it is just the right thing to do.
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| Quote: Durham Giant "I think for about 78 years from 1896 to about 1974 the game was doing well.
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I`m sorry but that`s just untrue - the period 1963 -1974 was when most damage was done to the sport which co-incidentally happened to be the time of the reign of Bill Fallowfield - the nadir most likely been reached in 1973 when a Test series involving GB ( as World Champions ) playing Australia attracting only 10,000 to the opener at Wembley and a simlar figure to the series decider at Warrington - just prior to that a Test match against NZ got a crowd of 3,500.
On the amateur side the game was little less but dead during the late Sixties early seventies and it was only the work of visionarys like Maurice Oldroyd helping set up BARLA which rescued it .
In relation to the RU parallels they are also questionable -sure some RU clubs have thrived but many have more or less gone to the wall ( London Scottish , Richmond , Bedford etc ) and even at GP level several clubs are either reliant on other clubs facilities such as Saracens or Wasps or living hand to mouth as in Leeds and to a certain extent Newcastle and Sale . RL meanwhile is benefiting from a tight salary cap allowing us to invest in new faciltys such as those at Warrington or planned at St Helens ...
I`m sorry but this game is dying scenario is just wearisome and rather typical of any debate involving RL ...
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| Quote: Quadrivium "I`m sorry but that`s just untrue - the period 1963 -1974 was when most damage was done to the sport which co-incidentally happened to be the time of the reign of Bill Fallowfield - the nadir most likely been reached in 1973 when a Test series involving GB ( as World Champions ) playing Australia attracting only 10,000 to the opener at Wembley and a simlar figure to the series decider at Warrington - just prior to that a Test match against NZ got a crowd of 3,500.
On the amateur side the game was little less but dead during the late Sixties early seventies and it was only the work of visionarys like Maurice Oldroyd helping set up BARLA which rescued it .
In relation to the RU parallels they are also questionable -sure some RU clubs have thrived but many have more or less gone to the wall ( London Scottish , Richmond , Bedford etc ) and even at GP level several clubs are either reliant on other clubs facilities such as Saracens or Wasps or living hand to mouth as in Leeds and to a certain extent Newcastle and Sale . RL meanwhile is benefiting from a tight salary cap allowing us to invest in new faciltys such as those at Warrington or planned at St Helens ...
I`m sorry but this game is dying scenario is just wearisome and rather typical of any debate involving RL ...'"
You misunderstood my post. I am pointing out that it is only in the last few years that RL has woken out of its torpor and is finally starting to look at the big picture ie franchising, Salary cap, infrastructure, youth development, imports etc
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| I wonder just what would have happened to our domestic game and the "heartland" clubs especially if, in 1941, the government of the day declared the game illegal and sized all its assets?
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| Quote: cod'ead "I wonder just what would have happened to our domestic game and the "heartland" clubs especially if, in 1941, the government of the day declared the game illegal and sized all its assets?'"
So you are questioning what would have happened to RL if we had lost the 2 nd world war ?
I doubt we would have cared
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| Quote: NS "not even close...
rlhttp://www.citypopulation.de/php/uk-england-yorkshireandthehumber.phprl
Hull 243,000
Leeds 443,000
Wigan 81,000
Castleford 37,000
St Helens 102,000 but with a hinterland of 469,000 (scousers)
Perpignan 116,000 (2.5m in the departement (hinterland))
Yours pedantically'"
Sorry to butt into this but can I just say that Hull has two clubs in its City so any figures mentioned about poplulation has to be halved in this discussion. (well in fact most of the population lives in the east side of the city so even half isn't a true reflection but that would be padantic! lol)
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Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
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| Quote: mancknocker "Sorry to butt into this but can I just say that Hull has two clubs in its City so any figures mentioned about poplulation has to be halved in this discussion. (well in fact most of the population lives in the east side of the city so even half isn't a true reflection but that would be padantic! lol)'"
All statistics [ like the W1g4n one of 81,000 ] can be manipulated to suit virtually any argument , and as such are not relevant to arguments like this , your one of having 2 clubs can in reality work the other way and actually increase levels of support
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| Quote: Bulliac "Quote: Bulliac "
this is expansion RFL style. zero input into the infrastructure required to sustain a top level club. nothing going into schools development or helping promote the amateur game in these areas.
where do they think the players will come from?
its a classic inverted pyramid scenario, top heavy with no foundations. thought the people running the game were intelligent business people ![Wink icon_wink.gif](images/smilies//icon_wink.gif)
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| Quote: Starbug "So you are questioning what would have happened to RL if we had lost the 2 nd world war ?
I doubt we would have cared'"
I can't even find any reference to France losing WW2.
Your point is?
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Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg |
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| Quote: cod'ead "I can't even find any reference to France losing WW2.
Your point is?'"
You in training to be tb's apprentice are you
pathetic
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| Quote: NS "not even close...
rlhttp://www.citypopulation.de/php/uk-england-yorkshireandthehumber.phprl
Hull 243,000
Leeds 443,000
Wigan 81,000
Castleford 37,000
St Helens 102,000 but with a hinterland of 469,000 (scousers)
Perpignan 116,000 (2.5m in the departement (hinterland))
Yours pedantically'"
Just to be even more pedantic, that figure for Leeds is the Leeds Urban Area and not the City of Leeds and doesnt include the suburbs which are part of the City of Leeds. It is simply the figure for Urban Leeds and includes none of the suburbs which are part of the city in every way. The true figure for Leeds is about 780k,
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| Quote: JB Down Under ""a corporate box" either it is going to be a very big box or isn't going to make much difference! Will be good to see their stadium finished off.'"
The corporate box will be for 600 people.
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| Amazing how some people think doom and gloom all the time. When I started watching Leeds in 1981 we averaged about 5 1/2 thousand. The only club to bring in serious crowds in the early 80s was Hull. The turning point for the game as a whole was the 82 Kangaroos and the end of the international transfer ban (and getting rid of the 6th tackle scrum). Comparatively speaking the game is currently in far better shape than 1982.
For those who have a dig at Quins as well, I remember the old Fulham being one of the first games I saw. To me league in London has been around a long time. The club may have morphed and moved a few times but there is a 30-year history there.
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