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Quote: Saddened! "
This is the reason I've never been with Virgin. All the best channels have the word Sky in front of them. Sky Sports, Sky Sports News, Sky News, Sky One, Sky Movies. Why should I pay Virgin to watch them, what have they done to earn the money? Balls all. Are OFCOM suggesting the likes of Virgin, BT, ESPN etc don't have the money to compete?'"

You make it sound like Sky discovered the simpsons and other content of Sky1, Sky movies, etc.
Personally I find Sky channels really poor, too much mindless cr-p and overly long add breaks.

From a viewership Pov, how many RL fans subscribe to Sky Sports only for RL, how many would subscribe to Sky Sports only for RL IF it was cheaper. If Sky backed out of RL and match coverage was available online for £15/month I'd buy it. I'm not spending £30 to watch my team play at most once a month and I sure as h-ll won't subsidise wendyball, boxing or motorsports. The only Sky Sports subscriber I know will cancell his subscription as of the end of the 4 nations and will re-sub at the start of next season.

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Quote: belgianxiii "You make it sound like Sky discovered the simpsons and other content of Sky1, Sky movies, etc.
Personally I find Sky channels really poor, too much mindless cr-p and overly long add breaks.

From a viewership Pov, how many RL fans subscribe to Sky Sports only for RL, how many would subscribe to Sky Sports only for RL IF it was cheaper. If Sky backed out of RL and match coverage was available online for £15/month I'd buy it. I'm not spending £30 to watch my team play at most once a month and I sure as h-ll won't subsidise wendyball, boxing or motorsports. The only Sky Sports subscriber I know will cancell his subscription as of the end of the 4 nations and will re-sub at the start of next season.'"


I have to agree with that.

I subscribe to virgin cable and quite like it - I don't need to pay extra for movie channels that show endless repeats cos they have a huge bank of pay per view.

BBC 24 is better than sky news and as soon as the internationals are over I will cancel my sports subscription.

Many sky channels are too american and have too many adverts.

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Quote: tb "Wigan weren't the only club who could afford to go 100% full time? The other clubs could afford it but chose not to? Or are you saying Wigan did it, but couldn't afford it?'"

Wigan weren't full time when many said they were. Leeds had just as many pro players. If Wigan were full time why were some of their players still working on building sites, fixing water pipes and cleaning windows.
A lazy post based on pub conversation.

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I don't know why people are worrying. Cameron and the Tories are already deeply in hock to Murdoch. The chances of their new government doing anything which SKY wouldn't like are about as likely as my chances of playing for England on Saturday.

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Can you fill in at centre

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Quote: SmokeyTA "but you may not need a Sky subscription to access, which is the issue

if i dont need to pay to subscribe to Sky to watch RL, why would i still pay Sky to watch RL?'"


you may not be paying directly - but somebody will be (and subsequently, you will be paying for it indirectly).

I have a Virgin Media subscription to watch RL on SKY, the OFCOM proposal just seems to extend this to all broadcasters.

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I would pay for Championship only no SL how does that work?

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Quote: maurice "I would pay for Championship only no SL how does that work?'"


It won't - if you think Sky don't give a monkeys about semi-pro rugby league see how other mainstream broadcasters (most of whom have drastically reduced their live sports coverage) feel about it.

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Quote: maurice "I would pay for Championship only no SL how does that work?'"


Did you read the statement?
Sky produce it as part of the exclusivity package with SL and barely break even. They wouldnt run it if it wasnt for the SL deal

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Quote: saints35 bulls0 "you may not be paying directly - but somebody will be (and subsequently, you will be paying for it indirectly).

I have a Virgin Media subscription to watch RL on SKY, the OFCOM proposal just seems to extend this to all broadcasters.'"


But, Skys business model is dependant on getting people to pay for channels

whether they use football, RL or cricket to entice them in.

Most of their sports customers will get Sky for one or two particular sports, but when they subscribe to Sky, they need to subscribe to a basic package, and then pay for the premium channels,

if you no longer need to pay for the basic package to get the premium channels, then the value of the premium channels to Sky, and as such the amount they are willing to invest in them, drops

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Quote: SmokeyTA "But, Skys business model is dependant on getting people to pay for channels

whether they use football, RL or cricket to entice them in.

Most of their sports customers will get Sky for one or two particular sports, but when they subscribe to Sky, they need to subscribe to a basic package, and then pay for the premium channels,

if you no longer need to pay for the basic package to get the premium channels, then the value of the premium channels to Sky, and as such the amount they are willing to invest in them, drops'"


i dont know the full details of teh OFCOM proposals....will third party broadcasters be able to pick and choose which sports they show, or will it be like Virgin where they just get the SKY Sports channels, warts and all.

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Quote: saints35 bulls0 "i dont know the full details of teh OFCOM proposals....will third party broadcasters be able to pick and choose which sports they show, or will it be like Virgin where they just get the SKY Sports channels, warts and all.'"


If Sky have to do it, I would guess that it will probably be the latter. As they will be wholesaling it, they will pitch it so's other channels can't make a bean unless they charge more, potentially a lot more, than the Sky uplift (from the Sky basic package).

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Quote: saints35 bulls0 "i dont know the full details of teh OFCOM proposals....will third party broadcasters be able to pick and choose which sports they show, or will it be like Virgin where they just get the SKY Sports channels, warts and all.'"


regardless, it still means that even if you need to subscribe to sky sports as a whole you still dont need to pay the original £17.50 for an entertainment pack

if you get the basic package plus sky sports it costs £35.50

even if Virgin charge £18 for Sky Sports and pass that on direct to sky, Sky are still losing out on the original £17.50 you needed to pay to simply get the basic package

therefore for every customer who chooses to go through virgin rather than Sky for Sky sports, Sky lose out on £17.50 and the value of using Sky Sports to attract customers to sky is basically halved

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Quote: Dico "The championship would go amateur and most of the SL would be semi pro.
Leeds, Wire, Wigan and Hull would probably be alright off the top of my head but costs would be cut massively.

This has to be stopped.
As soon as sky rights go, our sky in our house go, same for a lot of people i reckon'"


I doubt if that would be the case, the only thing that would be majorly hit is prize money for winning trophies and only a few clubs do that anway. the super league on the other hand would be in real trouble.

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As would every other pro sport in the world.

Soccer clubs would collapse faster than Lehman Brothers, as they did after the ITVDigital debacle.

Dont forget, whatever effects us, effects soccer 100x more due to the sheer scale of numbers involved with them (more clubs, more money, more games)

It might even mean that RL remains constantly bouyant since terrestrial broadcasters arent overly interested Sky Sports could maintain it as an exclusive.

I know I only used to get cable/sky for the the SL games, then cancel the whole lot after the season ended, dont even do that these days, so the cheaper "RL only" option or even "Sky Sports" only option would tempt me back, meaning they get their £18 they would never have seen again.

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