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Quote: Eurob0y "The first paragraph, in the McManus article, should be heeded by all clubs bar Leeds.

It still amazes me that clubs like Wigan, with an abundance of local youths playing, still cant really produce any young players of note. I also cant understand why randoms like Hull Kr, dont even have a youth policy.

3 of the 4 last men of steel have all been produced by St Helens RLFC.
The 2 leading teams in SL, Saints and Leeds, have both relied on local talent, whilst teams like wigan still persist in bringing over $hite like Tim Smith, Amos Roberts, some fat hooker etc. I wont even begin to go into the foreign $hite at teams like Hull KR, Hull FC, Castleford etc.

Its time for these clubs to put their resources into the youth system.'"


So $hite that we beat your team and are currently second in the league with the best SH in the league and the best SR partnership in SL. What makes it funny is that their foreign (just says it all about English players doen't it). While Saints may not have to many overseas they rely heavily on 2 of them in Gidley and Puletua.

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Quote: Rogues Gallery "But I thought "the Saints way" was to have a team of outstanding locally produced youngsters.

Make your mind up.
I have made my mind up. My comment was about the very average Wigan youngsters, I have not commented about the Saints youngsters or indeed whether Saints have the oldest team.

You said Saints were the oldest team not me, I wouldnt have a clue if Saints was or wasnt. All I said was that most fans wouldnt care less if they had the oldest team in Super League if that meant them sitting on top of the league and regularly winning honours.

I find it amusing that Wigan fans just say that their youngsters are great, without basis or without any facts, and expect everyone to agree. This coming from fans of team that have underperformed for years, have let all their best youngsters go, have won nothing for years and currently lie in 9th place. Yes those youngsters are great icon_rolleyes.gif

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Quote: a lot of tries "Ainscough is useless in defence and under the high bomb. '"


He is not useless in defence. He just needs some coaching to improve certain aspects of his game. At 19 I can accept that he will not be the complete player as of yet but I have seen enough of him to suggest that he will be. (How many games have you seen him play?)He is not useless under the high bomb at all - check the Wakefield highlights for an example. Danny Brough smacked a high bomb right at Ainscough (one of the highest kicks I have seen) and Ainscough (under pressure) took it easily, accelerated forward 20 metres, shrugged off the first player, spun back on the inside to beat the second man and gained a few more metres forward - putting Wigan on the front foot to score a try from a pressure situation and win the game.

Quote: a lot of tries "Yes he may have scored a lot of tries but the vast majority of these have been walk in tries.
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Let me place "a lot of tries" into context then for you. 13 tries in just nine super league appearances. The leading try scorer in the league. Some of his tries have been walk in tries but some have not. Some have required a proper wingers finish. Head down and run right on the edge of the touchline. Many wingers these days don't back themselves and come back on the inside. Ainscough does not.

Not to mention how many tries have been walk in tries for Gardener? Exactly.

Quote: a lot of tries "I seem to remember Colbon scoring loads of walk in tries last year but where is he now...'"


Do you actually watch Wigan? You don't do you?(Which makes me wonder how you can possibly make these conclusions) Liam Colbon is nothing like the player Ainscough is.

Liam Colbon in 2008 played 18 games more than Ainscough has played this season and Ainscough hasSam Tomkins is not a patch on Myler and Eastmond'"


I don't agree but that does not make a difference how good he is.

Quote: a lot of tries "and apart from pace hasnt got much to his game.'"


Confirmed you don't watch Wigan at all. He has much more to his game. He has a sidestep, good vision, neat footwork, a good kicking game, organising the attack and is solid in defence. (Which is impressive given his size). Sam Tomkins is a good player now but has so much more to offer and we will see this as time goes by and he develops into a finer player. To say he does not have much to his game is again foolish.

Quote: a lot of tries "These two players in particular are your typical overated Wigan youngsters who wont be there in a few years time. '"


They have only played nine games of super league and you have already come to this conclusion. Both 19 as well. icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif

Talk about some of the most biased Wigan observations that you will ever see. I cant even be bothered tearing that apart. Yes they are so good and that is why you are 9th. However seeing Wigan fans think that Ainscough and Tomkins are Gods gift I will talk about these two, as I cant believe that any unbiased person would even dispute that the others arent average.

I must have missed the two tries from kicks that Ainscough conceeded against Wakefield or was that someone else. I must have also missed the kicks and poor defence against Huddersfield (was that 2 tries as well or was it more?) that cost you the game. I am sure there have been plenty more. I must have missed all the tackles that he misses because he cant tackle.

Out of all these tries I would love to see how many are walk in tries. A try is a try but if Roberts was on that wing I am sure he would have scored that many (Seing as the Wigan players only seem to be capable of passing from right to left and hence never attack on the right). This is just like Chris Ashton all over again, the Wigan fans thought he was great then turned on him for less faults than Ainscough has.

Tomkins has no organisational skills, isnt the best passer and is a poor kicker. In any game that I have seen where Wigan havent easily been on top he has gone missing. He has pace and the most impressive part of his game is his defence, hardly a key requirement for a scrum half. Tomkins is the sort of player that looks good in the reserves constantly dummying and going for glory but struggles in the first team as he cannot do this at a higher level. I am sorry but I just see a lot more of the all round skills required at scrum half in Myler and Eastmond.

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Quote: j_hunter_hkr "Where have you got idea from?'"


Looking at the posts above yours I think someone has shown every "point" he made to be bollox. In summary, "I'm a saints fan, were the bestest at everything and everyone else is crap".

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Quote: cost us "Talk about some of the most biased Wigan observations that you will ever see.'"


My post is not biased. It is honest. Can't say the same for yourself though.

Quote: cost us "I cant even be bothered tearing that apart.'"


Why? Because you can't? Because you know I'm right?

Quote: cost us " Yes they are so good '"


Thanks for admitting that.

Quote: cost us "and that is why you are 9th.'"


Salford have one of the best talents in super league Richie Myler - yet find themselves lower than Wigan. What is your point? A few talented youngsters don't make a team. Again you love repeating idiotic points.

Wigan are 9th in the table yes - but there first win of the season came when their two youngsters Sean Ainscough and Sam Tomkins were playing and lifted the side.

Quote: cost us "However seeing Wigan fans think that Ainscough and Tomkins are Gods gift'"


You didn't read any of my post at all did you?

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Above is a thread about Sam Tomkins on the Wigan board. How you have come to the conclusion we believe Tomkins (and Ainscough) are gods gift is beyond me.

Quote: cost us "I must have missed the two tries from kicks that Ainscough conceeded against Wakefield or was that someone else.'"


I acknowledged Ainscough had many areas in his game to work on.

See -
Quote: cost us " He just needs some coaching to improve certain aspects of his game.'"


Quote: cost us "I must have also missed the kicks and poor defence against Huddersfield
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Two mistakes against Huddersfield, Yes I've got that - is that it? A 19 year old makes a couple of mistakes in his first 9 games for a club and he is already an average player? Even though is the top try scorer and top for clean breaks , an early candidate for Young player of the year?

Clutching at straws.

Quote: cost us "was that 2 tries as well or was it more?)'"


No it wasn't.
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that cost you the game'"


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Quote: Eurob0y "It still amazes me that clubs like Wigan, with an abundance of local youths playing, still cant really produce any young players of note. I also cant understand why randoms like Hull Kr, dont even have a youth policy.
3 of the 4 last men of steel have all been produced by St Helens RLFC.
The 2 leading teams in SL, Saints and Leeds, have both relied on local talent, whilst teams like wigan still persist in bringing over $hite like Tim Smith, Amos Roberts, some fat hooker etc. I wont even begin to go into the foreign $hite at teams like Hull KR, Hull FC, Castleford etc.
Its time for these clubs to put their resources into the youth system.'"

you really didn't think before you posted that did you? icon_rolleyes.gif
if you do some research next time, you might, just might not look so much of a tit icon_lol.gif

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