Not sure Wellington is big enough to sustain an NRL team, the union club seems to struggle and that game is much bigger. Hurricanes made a financial loss last year and avg less than 11,000 fans. That would put them as one of the worse supported clubs in the NRL. If RL could be more popular than S15 in Wellington is an interesting question?

They would almost certainly be more entertaining though, wouldn't that be a plus in the Orca's favour?

The issues with the Hurricanes and the Lions in the level below is more to do with the stadium, the Wellington sporting public and the total arrogance of the Wellington RFU with regard to marketing.
The stadium is a major problem on a number of levels. First up, when it blows down here (They are called the hurricanes for a good reason) the stadium is horrible....the wind literally howls around the stadium and if you add rain to the mix, it's a pretty unpleasant way to spend 80 minutes after forking out $40+. It's an oval, to accommodate Cricket, so atmosphere is lacking too and then there's the catering which is run by thieves....I don't mind spending $8 (4 quid) on a pint at Wembley, but $7.50 here for a 270ml bottle of carlsberg is a total rip off.
Then there's the WRFU who like my old buddy David Hughes, believes sticking posts in the ground and announcing a KO time is marketing. Super 15 isn'r super as far as the public here are concerned and as long as there's nothing other than the same newspaper adverts run the crowds will stay at about 10k.....put it this way, I've attended All Black games at the stadium, but I've never received anything to "invite" me to a canes or lions game. I have on the other hand received invites to the AFL game on ANZAC day (4 free tickets and a beer voucher)....they still only got 14k this year and we pay them a million bux of ratepayers cash to come here.

The Warriors came here in 2013 and marketed the out of the game....Vodafone ran a text competition for 500 people to be in a special "fan zone" and released a special shirt (so unlike the warriors that )....the result was 30k. Last year they didn't promote it at all and still got 22k.
For the 4 Nations final there was nothing other than a press shoot which the aussies turned up late for and a few flags at the railway station and we still got 25k.....so RL is popular enough down here.

The Orcas would need to average about 15k to be self sufficient and the whole bid is about the side being self sufficient, not reliant on individuals or gambling and being part of the community. Transport links to the stadium are spot on with direct routes to most of the RL areas. Unlike the Union, League has already got fairly strong ties within the regions we would tap into and it's general manager is very much hands on and well liked.

Wellington or NZ2 makes more sense than Brisbane 2 that will simply cannibalise the broncos fans, or Western Australia where the TV gains are minimal and they struggle to get 20k to the games they do host.

None of which suggests that a NRL team would be any more succesful than the Hurricanes. They will be in the same stadium and RL is hardly noted for its marketing geniuses. With a population of just 200k it is hard to see how they would generate enough income to be sutainable.

3 out of the last 4 games in perth have attracted 20k+ crowds, what struggle are you speaking of?

The NRL bid is based around communities stretching to Porirua and the Hutt Valley, which are all directly linked by public transport to the stadium. The Communities will "own" the club and therefore, there won't be the chance to have the general apathetic attitude that has crippled the Canes. These communities number over 450,000 in population and if priced correctly, I see no difficulty in getting a 15k average which I believe is the number needed to break even.




20,267 in 2014 together with 12,014 earlier in the year....

In 2013 they got 20,221.....in 2012 they got 15,599 (wasn't it ing down that day?).....struggling to find this 3rd 20k attendance.

By the way....22,000 is comfortably getting 20k......a couple of hundred over is a struggle....and Perth has a population 4 times the size of the region we would be taking our fans from.

Televisually(sic), Pert adds little to the NRL. 35,000 to 60,000 is what we get on NZ Pay TV here for an NRL game....The Warriors attract 100,000 to 150,000 more TV viewers when they are on TV. NRL hardly rates at all in Perth and even Wednesday Night funball only tapped 109,000 for this years decider and the NRL Grand Final 144K.....the fumbleballer final attracted 380k.
League rarely goes head to head here with Union, as the Warriors are at Home on Sundays, so it's fair to assume we'd bring another 170k eyeballs to the table....and if scheduled right, the NZ Derby would fill Eden Park/Cake Tin on ANZAC day or during the Origin period.

Well i hope the NRL have the foresight to let another NRL team in from New Zealand.
Best of luck to all concerned with the bid.

The NRL needs three (3) New Zealand teams in the NRL in order to grow the game. Wellington probably needs to be next because it already has an organized bid. However at some point in the not too distant future Christchurch needs to be added, to represent the South Island, with most of its home games in Christchurch and perhaps 25% in warm and sunny Dunedin. But that would have to be in 2023, to give Wellington time to establish itself, and to give Christchurch time to recover and rebuild from the earthquake.

Other people have organised bids.

I'm not sure if NZ will get a look in this time round.

NRL sides constantly recruit kids from NZ as it is.

All true......and very no comital

A second team in New Zealand is a no brainer, just look at the amount of players they produce.

I think the NRL should either expand to 18 with new teams in NZ, Central Coast and WA, dropping Cronulla down to the NSW cup.

Or expand to 20 with new teams in NZ, Central Coast , WA and 2 out of Cronulla/PNG/2nd Brisbane club.

That is a no goer. Cronulla will not be dropped, because it is licensed and viable. The Central Coast will not be added because it competes with Newcastle and Manly for sponsors. If the NRL expands to 18 it will be Perth and Brisbane. If it is expanded to 20 then Wellington has a very good chance, along with, perhaps, PNG.

I say yes, RL has never been stronger in NZ IMO, time to take it to the next level. It could be huge.

Problem is Wellington is probably not going to be able to sustain a team crowd wise or financially. And it probably also adds little to the TV deal (might boost the NZ sky deal a little but not much) it does not benefit the NRL bottom line. I'd love to see a Wellington team admitted but the lack of suitable stadium, population and value means it is unlikely anytime soon.

So that's your view from 12,000 miles away.