Just seen the disallowed try. It was ruled that Todd Lowrie acted as a driver in forcing Tommy over the line, pretty clear cut I thought. You can not be rammed over the line by your support players can you? www.nrl.com/Video/tabid/10959/Default.aspx

Just seen the disallowed try. It was ruled that Todd Lowrie acted as a driver in forcing Tommy over the line, pretty clear cut I thought. You can not be rammed over the line by your support players can you? www.nrl.com/Video/tabid/10959/Default.aspx

He hardly "rammed" his own player over the line, he was involved no question, surely the question should be did he influence the try from no try to try, in my opinion his input made no difference.

He was ruled as acting as a driver, "the rammed" is my words.
He had no right to be there at all pushing his player forward, its that simple.

There is no way he was driving that ruck.

Either way, if they are using the law exactly you are right, it's a no try.

In the spirit of a flowing, progressive, positive game that Rugby League is, it has to have some footnotes for leneancy.

The fact is if Tommy was clear cut going to score, The Coach should be kicking Lowries bum all over the shop tomorrow for getting involved.

But it has to end somewhere, the more shades of Grey you have the more smart Coaches are watching the rulings and will exploit an opportunity.
You don't think NRL Coaches would have noted if that was allowed that they would not be building on pushing a man over?
In the 70's we had the "Flying Wedge" and that was quickly outlawed.

I don't see any "positivity" in a player touching a moving ball whilst deliberately standing out of play to get a more beneficial restart, but we've got that rule again this year.

Yes sadfish, it was a load of old..

Funny how your own player can push you to keep you in play if the opponents are forcing him out. But near the try line in attack..?

Is that from the NRL Coaches Manual Booster?
Do you think its ok to have one or more team mates drive you over the try line?

That scenario you suggest is up to the Referees discretion as to when he considers a players forward momentum has been stopped and a tackle should be called.
Two such incidents had some bearing in the last World Cup, one on the sideline where Slater was walked massively over the sideline and threw a crazy pass because the ref did not call held and one where Australia's defence walked a Kiwi Attacking player backwards and were penalised for not hearing "held"

Which Club do you work for again? you mention your credentials to support and add weight to your comments without ever saying what they are?

So if you cant help your player over the line shouldnt it be a penalty when a defence is pushing someone over the side line and the attacking team adds weight to the tackle to try and get the ref to shout held.

Saying that though when was the last time we saw the adding weight rule used over here in similar circumstances.

Do you think you should be able to force your player over the line?
I thought I covered the answers to this in my previous post.

After watching Hodgson do this a couple of times yesterday, I thought, what a ridiculous rule.

So a player can put in a perfectly weighted kick into the in-goal only for a defender to stand off the pitch and pick it up if it’s still moving, however slightly.

I was also under the impression that a charge-down did not result in the re-set of the tackle count, did I imagine this one?

You are making it sound like you made up the rule or are an administrator of the game? lol.

Ah you may well laugh Sadfish but it seems a pretty simple Refs decision though. What part don't you understand?

The Ref said his support player acted as a Driver to get him over the line.
Its not the same as trying to stop a player being driven over the side line is it?
One is trying to stop a player being forced out (probably not within the rules either) the other is pushing a player over for a T.R.Y now is that the same thing?
There is another game that allows this to happen frequently apparently, its called Rugby Union

I thought this as well.

If people who have followed the game for 30 years dont know what rule changes have happened what hope is there.

I think that depends on the game situation. Both times in that game it would have been better to be defending in the opponents 20, but say near the end of the game when it was locked at 22-22 it would have been better to have the ball back in your own 20 and go for a long range try.

I think the captain should tell the ref what they want.