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Hill
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Just off the top of my head

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Quote: roofaldo2 "Yeah, but Graham and the Burgess boys aren't playing SL. That was my point, we don't have that solid prop player type coming through the ranks in this country. You could possibly argue that the NRL isn't turning them out at a good rate either as they're looking to SL for players in that position.

It maybe that you're going to see more 2nd rowers playing in the front row in future.'"


Explain what a ' Prop ' forward should look like and what skills set he should have ? , ditto a 2 nd row? , then you might have a point

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Quote: wolfinwidnes "Hill
Mossop
cooper
Harrison
Taylor
griffin

Just off the top of my head'"

All top draw props!!! Think that might be the point!

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Quote: Starbug "Explain what a ' Prop ' forward should look like and what skills set he should have ? , ditto a 2 nd row? , then you might have a point'"


Props should look like and play like Kevin Ward, Andy Platt or Kelvin Skerrett.

We have nothing like these fellers today in the UK.

Mind you, we are short of class centres and half backs as well.

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Quote: fleabag "Props should look like and play like Kevin Ward, Andy Platt or Kelvin Skerrett.

We have nothing like these fellers today in the UK.

Mind you, we are short of class centres and half backs as well.'"


Expand further on that , what did those players do , that current ' props ' dont?

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Quote: Starbug "Expand further on that , what did those players do , that current ' props ' dont?'"

Took players heads off.

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Quote: Starbug "Expand further on that , what did those players do , that current ' props ' dont?'"


You go and do your homework ! I'm not doing it for you.

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Quote: fleabag "You go and do your homework ! I'm not doing it for you.'"


So nothing different then

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Quote: Him "Took players heads off.'"


And that didnt win us a competition either icon_wink.gif

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To a certain extent I agree with the original poster regarding out and out prop forwards. But I think these days there seems to be very few specialist players overall.

And just as you've asked for examples above... For me, the prop should always be the biggest player on the field, the one you give the ball to when you need to smash through the defence (I bet that wasn't said above because it seemed pretty obvious?). Or the big hit you want in the middle of the field, and obviously size would be an advantage. In teams in the past you knew who the props were. Even recently, say early 2000s you look at a team like Bradford, Wigan or Saints (just using these as it's easier to think of names around this time) and you'd know straight away that Anderson, Vagana, Cowie, O'Connor, Matautia and Fairleigh were the props in the team. They couldn't really play anywhere else, but their size was a great advantage.

Last season a hell of a lot of 2nd rowers were playing or at least covering at prop, looking at the same teams theres not a massive difference in the size of the props to the 2nd rowers. Now as long as you can run hard and straight and tackle well you'll be able to play prop. But that's just the way the games changed I suppose.

You could have this same debate about any position though. Most Wingers on the field have been used as a full back at some point, or at centres too in some cases. loose forwards have been put at 6. 2nd row can easily cover the centre positions, fill in at loose forward or cover prop. Props are being used as a loose forward if a bigger pack overall is wanted. stand offs at full back, players who have always been a 6 have played 7, and as long as you can pass a ball you can cover 9.

It's the game evolving, most players on the pitch now are able to cover more than one position, so the "traditional prop" that I think the original post is talking about isn't as desirable as a player that could tackle well, run hard and could cover other positions if needed.

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So far we have established that prop forwards need to be big icon_lol.gif

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Quote: Starbug "So far we have established that prop forwards need to be big
Craig Huby?

Should be in for a good year this time with a full pre-season unlike last year.

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Quote: Gronk! "Craig Huby?

Should be in for a good year this time with a full pre-season unlike last year.'"


Yes he's big icon_wink.gif

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In answer to the OP

No. Not a chance.

Some coaches like to bandy phrases like "lightweight mobile pack" but they are synonyms for "beaten pack". Just look at the Giants at the back end of last season, regularly beaten by any team with a decent set of forwards

Rugby League is still the same game I essence. The pack needs to gain dominance in the midfield to allow the halfbacks space to get the backs into space.

Note as well the consensus that props don't hit their best till their late 20s means you just don't get "young props" that often, those that are can be called exceptional.

Look at the set of props England could pick and all of them are top notch and as good as any that's gone before.

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I think it's a deeper set issue than just game development. Our players are full-time professionals now so lard diets are out of the window. Everybody is big these days and not just props.

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