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a046.gif It would be interesting to see how team tightened up in terms of expansive play as SL play offs come around. FWIIW, IMO the impact of Rob Burrow at 9 was as equally important as Kevin Sinfields kicking. Maybe more important. Leeds actually become very concervative in the play offs and attempt to purely gain a field position to give a kicker a great opportunity. The Leeds front row was not dominant bar the occasional but increasingly less so Peacock storming run. Burrow bobbing and weaving made Leeds yardage game more effective to then put Kevin Sinfield in kicking range. Without that platform Kevin Sinfield is no better than the majority. The only other get out of jail card was when the opp team try to overplay and make mistakes. You see it in the CC final when Kevin Sinfield looks anything but world class until Wire start getting over confident, you see it v Wigan when Wigan enjoy periods of 'bullying' Leeds around the park. The standard in the play offs is if anything the reason why a LF can be effective at 6 as British teams tighten through pressure.

The bottom line for me though is no British player unless they play in the NRL can be a credble GB winner.

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Fylde Warrior, you now seem to be flailing desperately and repeating yourself several times over but not responding to the points I raised or the questions I asked you.
The NRL is certainly a competition with more consistently high standards from team to team. No one would deny that. But to describe Super League as a second-tier competition is silly, as Super League's record in the World Club Challenge demonstrates. I admit that it may prove difficult to keep up that record as the financial disparity grows between the two competitions, but that is in the future, not the past.
And it's a non-sequitur to say that the best individual player, year by year, must always be an NRL player, just as it would be to say that the best soccer player in the world must always come from the highest paid league.
And on the subject of individual players, it's worth noting, for example, that Luke Burgess couldn't break into the Leeds team, but featured consistently in the starting lineup for South Sydney in 2013, helping them to third place in the league. So the disparity in standards doesn't seem as great as you seem to imagine.
Your arguments are all hypothetical, while you seem to think that actual evidence of clubs' and players' attainments doesn't count.

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Quote: ThePrinter "Isn't being the captain and leader of a team that has won 6 GF, 3 WCC, 2 LLS in the last 9 years and winning 2 Harry Sunderland awards making enough 'happen' for you?
If deciding the fate of the Super League trophy with back-to-back MOM performances against the two teams who finished 1st and 2nd isn't making things 'happen' then I don't know what is.........oh wait, I forgot, he doesn't have a lightening turn of pace.'"

So all those wins were all due to him? he played his part , of course he did. He's a fine player, don't recall anybody disputing that. He was also in a team that could only manage 5th place in the league for the last 2 seasons and lost at wembley for the last 3 seasons but he isn't blamed for the defeats or the poor league seasons. He can't take all the flak and he can't take all the credit.
Yes he had 2 great games at the end of the year, seems the rest of the season (that the dream team is picked from) isn't took into consideration.
He's reliable, dependable an important link in the chain (is gary neville better than messi?) if he was a car he would be a Honda civic, now lets look at a porsche.

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I think it is well deserved.
Sinfield makes a lot of things look very easy, and for the last few seasons I think a lot of people discredit how good he is and what the guy has achieved.
I would love to see him in the NRL.
I think its hard to see the true quality in Super league these days because it really isnt as good a competition as it was, and im not sure what the future holds for SL with the NRL salary cap going up.

Its hard to compare sinfield with the likes of Scully, Farrel etc.. but I think he is up there with this calibre of player.
I would happily swap Sinfield for anyone in the saints team apart from Roby.
To ad to it, he is probably the best goal kicker in super league.

I think he will prove a few people wrong in the world cup whether England win it or not.

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Sweet Mary Martyn!

I hope you do not seriously believe what you are typing. Firstly and most importantly NOBODY with any sense believes the WCC is truly indicative of the disparity between NRL RL and British RL. However, as seems to be your party piece, random stats (lies, damned lies and stats etc.)

Martyn Sadler comes in front of Joe Public stating the WCC shows that British RL is comparable to NRL RL when in the last 4 WCC matches, British clubs have lost 3 out of the 4 despite the contest being heavily weighted in British Clubs favour (venues, travel and timing) and taken far more seriously by British clubs.
However, if I want to debate this aspect (I presumed you were a journalist which means IMO and many that what you write and put your name to is not always what you really believe) then let us consider the only time we got a possible in depth comparison, the 1997 World Club Championship!

Quote: "The 1997 World Club Championship was an expansion of the World Club Challenge concept by Super League. The competition was restructured to include all 22 clubs from the Australasian and European Super League championships and was known as the Visa World Club Championship due to sponsorship. As it was contested over 6 rounds in 2 hemispheres, with A$1,000,000 prize money (GBP 640,000), the competition was prohibitively expensive to stage, and it reportedly lost over $5,000,000. This, coupled with the poor ratings and attendances that were achieved both in Australia and Europe, led to the competition being postponed for a number of years. No British teams progressed further than the quarter finals. Two Australian teams reached the final

You do realise if we throw in 1997 then the fact so many British RL clubs had the amazing 0 wins 6 defeats. Do you still want to carry on this pointless charade of arguing that the WCC disproves British RL is second rate compared to Australian RL?
Better still I can if you carry this lunacy throw in GB/England v Australia results?

I will keep repeating THE TRUTH and it hurts me as a British man.
British RL is second rate compared to Australian RL.
It has been since 1962!

You read like a mirror image of the great and the good of British RL prior to the 1982 Kangaroo Tour. Far better RL men than you and I, were then proven to be similarly deluded. To see history repeating itself in 2012/13 grates me because RL supporters deserve better from those with the opportunity to prompt and instigate change. I want to earn the right to be as proud of British RL as we are of the 1962 tourists.

You have a fantastic opportunity by your position BUT sorry you simply waste it and in the process ‘hurt’ British RL. You bring up WCC, when were they reintroduced Martyn and by whom? Not you, not LP. Look at the attendances in recent years compared to the energy and effort used by people more capable than all of us here to promote this great game. Virtually, everything good about British RL dates back from 1982 when we saw how bad British RL was and started to try to bridge a huge gap. Alas, such desire has been hijacked by self-interest from member clubs and the likes of LP have stood by whistling Dixie! Open Rugby was beyond anything LP has created. Peter Deakin and so forth showed what could be done in RL. What are we left with, the hideous pretend best player in the world award.

This entire episode / your efforts in this thread reflect so badly that Joe Bloggs British RL fans will be dismayed by the calibre of people who have an important voice and the ability to shape a game.

You can write me off, I am not important. Just an ordinary man BUT ask yourself can these individuals be ignored and dismissed;

Quote: "Malcolm Andrews – “The decision by League Publications to reduce the number of overseas judges who vote on the Golden Boot was wrong (no matter what the outcome would have been). The decision to reduce the number of overseas judges was made because there were no key international games during 2012....expect that there was in the Southern hemisphere - a huge mistake when you consider how uncompetitive the England games where during 2012.
Traditionally and in keeping with the principles of the original award consultation and research should be carried out with many different international sources before making a final decision on the winner of the award.”'"


Quote: "Steve Mascord – “MY Australian compatriots were not best-pleased by the anointing of Sir Kevin Sinfield as the Golden Boot recipient for 2012. Yes, I am a contributor to Rugby League World – and I’ll declare that interest straight off. It doesn’t mean I have to agree with everything they do and I didn’t vote for the Golden Boot this year. In a sense, Sinfield was the standout individual in rugby league this year. In Australia, honours were split between a number of outstanding players such as Ben Barba, Billy Slater and Cameron Smith. Sinfield won the Super League, starred in the grand final and assumed the England captaincy. But it’s my belief that once the judges go through the process of assessing the sort of year someone has had, they should then ask themselves the question

Read and digest and to yourself and 99.9% of the British RL media ‘Grow a set and fight to make British RL better the right way’ The GB of 2012 was a pathetic ill-conceived stunt that pleases the odd one eyed Rhino fan but embarrasses the vast majority of British RL devotees.

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Just to add Martyn, I am a nobody with a passion for RL. I answered what questions you asked. There were so few. You never answered mine but hey your last reply was incredibly lame.

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Quote: Fylde_Warrior "Sweet Mary Martyn!

I hope you do not seriously believe what you are typing. Firstly and most importantly NOBODY with any sense believes the WCC is truly indicative of the disparity between NRL RL and British RL. However, as seems to be your party piece, random stats (lies, damned lies and stats etc.)
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Regardless of whatever excuse you need to come up with to justify your standpoint to yourself. Even if we accept your nonsense, it is an indication of the disparity between SL and the NRL. In 2011 there were 3 changes in the Manly side from that with which they won the NRL. 3. Will Hopoate, Joe Galuvao, and Shane Rodney. Leeds had lost Danny Buderus and Ali Lauitiiti.

Remember this wasn’t Gold Coast or Canberra, this was the best team in the NRL and they were beaten by Leeds. Even if you make every excuse under the sun, we do have a relative indication of quality. If the best team in the NRL aren’t well prepared they will get beat by Leeds. If the best team in the NRL aren’t well prepared and they get beat by Leeds, Imagine what Leeds would do to some of the pretty poor sides at the bottom of the NRL?

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Quote: Fylde_Warrior "Martyn Sadler comes in front of Joe Public stating the WCC shows that British RL is comparable to NRL RL when in the last 4 WCC matches, British clubs have lost 3 out of the 4 despite the contest being heavily weighted in British Clubs favour.'"


No, what you've done is read it wrong just so you can give the reply you want to give to try put yourself on the front foot in this debate. He never said the NRL and SL are comparable, he said he didn't think that SL is second-rate. He even said the NRL has a more consistantly high standard but you've ignored this to give the reply that put you on the offensive.

What he, myself and others are trying to say is that whilst you think SL is second-rate, many others don't share this opinion. That is not us saying SL is as good or better than NRL, just not second-rate.....and yes their is a difference. In football they have the English, Spainish and Italian leagues, now only 1 can be deemed the best but would anybody suggest the other 2 are second-rate because of that??? Not at all.

Quote: Fylde_Warrior "The GB of 2012 was a pathetic ill-conceived stunt that pleases the odd one eyed Rhino fan but embarrasses the vast majority of British RL devotees.'"


Really? Because i've seen fans of all clubs (barring Wigan) congratulate Sinfield on winning. Some fans from other teams have also disagreed with it but mearly suggest that they would've picked someone else, it seems only the Wigan (again) fans feel some injustice and embarrassment to the sport has taken place and want some sort of inquiry and voting change.


Quote: Fylde_Warrior "99% of people supporting Kevin Sinfield as GB winner seem to be Leeds fans too. How odd or maybe not.'"


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Just on the misconception that the WCC is heavily weighted in favour of the SL side, is it not fair to say that as the Australian salary cap is more than double ours it's actually weighted heavily in their favour? After all, they're already so far ahead that we're 'second rate' so surely even an underprepared champion side from NRL should wipe the floor with any SL side???

Oh, and the Melbourne Storm 'victory' of 2009 was achieved whilst cheating the salary cap and is thus invalid. Sorry if that's another unnecessary dig at your beloved Storm Fylde.

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Quote: Big Jim Slade "Just on the misconception that the WCC is heavily weighted in favour of the SL side, is it not fair to say that as the Australian salary cap is more than double ours it's actually weighted heavily in their favour? After all, they're already so far ahead that we're 'second rate' so surely even an underprepared champion side from NRL should wipe the floor with any SL side???

Oh, and the Melbourne Storm 'victory' of 2009 was achieved whilst cheating the salary cap and is thus invalid. Sorry if that's another unnecessary dig at your beloved Storm Fylde.'"

Exactly.

If the difference was that big, then the NRL team would always win. I don’t think anyone would argue the NRL is above SL, just some fanboys who generally have very little actual experience in the game, massively over-estimate it.

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Fylde_warrior aka william eve or Keith Swiftcorn has reeled in a big fish here and is not going to let him go until he has heard the usual full on sermen/spiel.the usual rubbish of how our competion is excrement and how out of this world the NRL is that us Leeds fans get every year. a014.gif icon_lol.gif

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Quote: Biff Tannen "Fylde_warrior aka william eve or Keith Swiftcorn has reeled in a big fish here and is not going to let him go until he has heard the usual full on sermen/spiel.the usual rubbish of how our competion is excrement and how out of this world the NRL is that us Leeds fans get every year. icon_lol.gif

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Quote: Biff Tannen "Fylde_warrior aka william eve or Keith Swiftcorn has reeled in a big fish here and is not going to let him go until he has heard the usual full on sermen/spiel.the usual rubbish of how our competion is excrement and how out of this world the NRL is that us Leeds fans get every year.
Nah I know it got mentioned before but I don't think it's Eve/Swiftcorn. His spelling & punctuation are always at 100% and he has a skill of delivering a retort with one-liners and also replies that are much harder to pick apart and build a response to than Fylde's.
Fylde's 'don't cheap-shot Melbourne's salary cap woes, it's not fair' is very un-Swiftcorn-like too.

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Quote: William Eve "Fylde Warrior is definitely not me, though I do agree with most of what he/she has wrote
Agh, i was sure it was you however, if i am mistaken i do apologies icon_surprised.gifops:

very like you though, a relation?? icon_wink.gif

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