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Quote: Willzay "I've seen some saying he should've played the GF regardless of what he did, which I find interesting.'"


Failing a drugs test doesn't constitute to guilt,until proven. As a role model of the sport and to the youngsters seeing this,he'll get what he deserves. Hopefully his couple of years out of the game will see him supporting the sport that supported him.

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Quote: wrencat1873 "If Cas had dropped him as soon as he failed the drugs test, they may not even have made the final.
After all, they barely squeaked past St Helens and that was with Hardaker at FB.'"


He was suspended from all forms of RL (and I'd assume all sports in the UK signed up to anti-doping rules) AS SOON as The RFL received notification of the failed test from UKAD on the Thursday. Cas had no choice but to 'drop' him from their squad, although I would like to believe that if the decision had been theirs to make they would have made it. The fail result had not been passed on to the governing body before the St Helens game so he was completely free to play in that.

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Quote: rollin thunder "Well said, to put cocaine in the same category as alcohol is stupid, you can have 2-3 drinks (units etc) of alcohol just for enjoyment taste etc,With it having hardly any effect. You can't do this with cocaine, it's an instant and very effective hit.

I have used recreational drugs in my life pretty regular when younger, in clouding cocaine twice. And never again would I use it and absolutely condemn it it, its an awful drug, it leads to violence aggression like nothing else, it will be and should always be class A. They way kids use this alongside masssive amounts of alcohol that they would not normally be able to consume is dangerous and is the biggest cause of violence on nights out.
It's not at all like ecstasy, a euphoric drug or cannabis a relaxant or even amphetamines which have a longer but milder effect but similar to cocaine, this is bad poop, and needs stamping out.'"


Cocaine is a horrible, harmful drug that causes misery throughout the production cycle and well beyond the people that end up taking it.

That's why it should be legalised and regulated, not left to criminals to control - that's how it gets into the hands of anyone who wants it.

As for Hardaker. Personally I think recreational drugs shouldn't carry the same punishment as performance enhancing ones (as cocaine isn't performance enhancing regardless of what some on here bizarrely make up), however the fact is that it does, and Hardaker knew that when taking it, so he deserves to pay that price.

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You think a harmful and dangerous class A drug should be legalised ? Wow. What am i reading ?

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Quote: Towns88 "You think a harmful and dangerous class A drug should be legalised ? Wow. What am i reading ?'"


As he said
Quote: Towns88 "legalised and regulated, not left to criminals to control '"


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Biggest slippery slope of all time should that happen. Hopefully it won't.

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Quote: Mr Dog "He was suspended from all forms of RL (and I'd assume all sports in the UK signed up to anti-doping rules) AS SOON as The RFL received notification of the failed test from UKAD on the Thursday. Cas had no choice but to 'drop' him from their squad, although I would like to believe that if the decision had been theirs to make they would have made it. The fail result had not been passed on to the governing body before the St Helens game so he was completely free to play in that.'"


Was that the second sample or, did results on both samples come through at the same time.
I understood that there was usually an initial finding and that this was then followed up on a test of the "B" sample, which, if found to have the same content, would lead to action and this is what happened on the Thursday.

When do the player, club and RFL find out that there is/was a problem with the "A" sample ?

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Quote: Towns88 "Biggest slippery slope of all time should that happen. Hopefully it won't.'"


You could do with reading up on the overwhelmingly positive effects legalisation & regulation have had in Portugal since 2001.

Do you have any basis, facts or supporting evidence for your "biggest slippery slope of all Time" comment?

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Quote: DGM "You could do with reading up on the overwhelmingly positive effects legalisation & regulation have had in Portugal since 2001.'"


Indeed - that's what I was referring to in my earlier post; the wrongheaded, knee-jerk, "drugs are bad, m'kay?" attitude, is a big part of what's created the circumstances we now find ourselves in.

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Quote: Towns88 "Biggest slippery slope of all time should that happen. Hopefully it won't.'"


I agree it's total liberal claptrap which as ever panders to the lowest common denominator.

The Philippines had a drug problem now apparently it doesn't - wonder why. Oh and believe me I am advocating the same for the UK and those gutters known as Europe and the USA.

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Quote: Tharg The Mighty "Four things are certain.

Hardaker deserves a lengthy ban.

Hardaker needs as much help as the RFL can give.

Castleford need a new full back.

There are some unbelievable numpties on this forum.'"


Why!

Why does this selfish loser deserve any help at all - ffs when will people make other people take responsibility for their own actions - it's pathetic.

There are tons of players who navigate their way through RL life never needing a first chance let alone a forth.

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Quote: wrencat1873 "Was that the second sample or, did results on both samples come through at the same time.
I understood that there was usually an initial finding and that this was then followed up on a test of the "B" sample, which, if found to have the same content, would lead to action and this is what happened on the Thursday.

When do the player, club and RFL find out that there is/was a problem with the "A" sample ?'"


Could be either, although I'd suspect 'A', from the information provided on the UKAD website
"If the A-sample Adverse Analytical Finding is for a prohibited substance, other than a specified substance, a mandatory provisional suspension will be imposed. If the Adverse Analytical Finding is for a specified substance, the provisional suspension will be imposed at the discretion of UKAD.

A provisional suspension can only be imposed if the athlete is given either

But whichever, you can absolutely guarantee that they've followed procedure to the letter.

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Quote: vastman "I agree it's total liberal claptrap which as ever panders to the lowest common denominator.

The Philippines had a drug problem now apparently it doesn't - wonder why. Oh and believe me I am advocating the same for the UK and those gutters known as Europe and the USA.'"


WTF are you going on about?

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Quote: DGM "You could do with reading up on the overwhelmingly positive effects legalisation & regulation have had in Portugal since 2001.

Do you have any basis, facts or supporting evidence for your "biggest slippery slope of all Time" comment?'"


Published by who exactly ie which vested interest - there is no evidence legalisation works - do people like you think that Americans get any less drunk now than they did during prohibition! Foolish nonsense.

Drugs are bad unless they are being used to cure an illness under medical supervision - a five year old could work that out. The real question that needs sorting is why do you want or need them.

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Quote: vastman "Published by who exactly ie which vested interest - there is no evidence legalisation works - do people like you think that Americans get any less drunk now than they did during prohibition! Foolish nonsense.

Drugs are bad unless they are being used to cure an illness under medical supervision - a five year old could work that out. The real question that needs sorting is why do you want or need them.'"


You are so incredibly ignorant, that there's no response anyone could give to these inane, baseless ramblings of yours, that would ever help to open your mind even slightly. Go read some actual facts, reports, evidence & get back to us.

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