True, but there's a big difference between an inferior product and no product at all

As I said, there's lots of ways to convolute reasons, the fans won't come to watch a poor team etc but the simple fact is, if the product was selling well enough in the first place the cuts wouldn't be needed.

I would also argue bradford are probably down to the diehard core of their supporters now, anything they had done in the last year wouldn't of affected the numbers too much for this year. In fact, if they had removed all contracts in the off season last year, played the entirety of last year with an u18s team, came bottom, but with a few promising players showing, and a much stronger financial base, which could be built on, made signings over the off season (and not had to wonder whether they'll actually ever play in the shirt) and had more positive news, I'd argue they'd off probably sold a whole load more season tickets. Alas, it's not an option now with relegation being reintroduced (though London seem to be reading from that play book)

No, once again, and this is as clear as it could be so if you don't understand I really can't dumb it down any more for you.

You said Bradford had spent more than they brought in.

I said it doesn't follow that Bradford had been operating above their level.

You once again show you are really the most pathetic individual on these boards

So again, what is Bradfords problem if in your opinion it isnt spending more than they earn?

Be aware ,nobody thinks you are clever by avoiding and trying to twist words, just pathetic

Are you drunk? Stoned? Had a stroke? There are only so many times I can explicitly say to you again, I haven't said Bradford didn't spend more than they earned. How much clearer can I make that for you? Bradford did spend too much, they were run poorly.

It just doesn't follow that because they spent too much in SL that they were operating at a level above themselves or that that they would fair better in the lower leagues.

and? It should have been the lower leagues then.

They overspent then they offered to spend some more (half their sky money) so they could continue overspending...and the RFL, having bailed them out by buying their ground lease from them to prevent further disaster, were quite happy to give this overspending plan the once-over and approve it.

There is a pattern developing here.....do I need to spell it out for you?

You need to take another look at your timeline.

Without the insults, how did Bradford end up with substantial debts?

It's already in there. I'm not repeating myself again for you. I have said it enough times.

And shown your with it

So there we have it people, Bradford HAVENT ended up in debt by spending more than they earn, Smokey says so

Have you ever admitted you were wrong? Genuine question by the way. You twist, turn, flip and flop but I have to say, between you and Jesus, you come across as more infallible (in your own mind)

No they didnt overspend? Smokey said so

I've been pretty explicit in what I have said, numerous times now I've said Bradford did spend too much. The fact starbug pretends he thinks I'm saying exactly the opposite is what marks out his trolling, not that he disagrees.

Too much isnt spending what you dont have, too much doesnt neccessarily produce a debt, too much doesnt neccessarily put you in Bradfords dilema

Spending what you dont have does , quite simple even for you, not that you dont understand, you just wont admit it

bradford wouldn't have been able to do this, there are lower limits to what they can spend on wages. And I think it is overly optimistic to think Bradford's attendance would have held up to a decent amount at all had they thrown away a year.

Also I would question how fair it was on those kids to see them getting 60points minimum put on them every week.

I just think it is pretty naive to look at a club like Bradford and see that all it's problems are solved by cutting wages. It's not always the solution, and can be entirely counter productive. The long term answer at Bradford is to increase revenues, and whilst there may be some fat to trim, it isn't guaranteed that the place that is needed is the playing squad.

Bradford have shown previously that they can operate with a full sc, with a championship winning squad, they did that with higher revenues.