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Quote: SmokeyTA "What your saying is that basically they should have small ambitions.

This version of london are clearly dead, the last rights were given a couple of years ago. They are and have been winding back and it is virtually impossible for an expansion side to get promoted in a salary capped P+R league

Whatever new club comes through (if any) will be a London side. Calling them Barnet or Twickenham or Charlton or whatever would be like the Rhinos renaming themselves Headingley Rhinos.'"

No it wouldn't and it's not about them having small ambitions. It's about them having appropriate ambitions and appropriate marketing. Nothing stops them going beyond and appealing to people beyond their "home town". In the same way every football club in London does.
But when they've had a nomadic existence, have pretty much no current support and have no roots at all, I don't think it a bad idea to put some down.

By the way Leeds weren't originally called Leeds RLFC. They had a name that most certainly wasn't aiming to appeal to the entire city at the time. As it grew it did and changed its name.
But anyway the comparison is daft as Leeds is a city with a high degree of RL awareness and a lot of interest and participation in the city. In London there isn't.

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Quote: SmokeyTA "What your saying is that basically they should have small ambitions.

This version of london are clearly dead, the last rights were given a couple of years ago. They are and have been winding back and it is virtually impossible for an expansion side to get promoted in a salary capped P+R league

Whatever new club comes through (if any) will be a London side. Calling them Barnet or Twickenham or Charlton or whatever would be like the Rhinos renaming themselves Headingley Rhinos.'"


Thats right, the name London has no association with anywhere. Its like calling Rochdale Manchester North, Oldham called Manchester East and Salford called Manchester West.
Being Nomadic is destroying any fan base, probably at Brentford was there best period, was it the RFL that wanted the title London to prove that expansion was in full gear.

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[quote="dally messenger":1gysl9ow]was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have[/quote:1gysl9ow] [quote="eels fan":1gysl9ow]You poor poor obsessed fat ex vichyballin potato thieving stoaway.[/quote:1gysl9ow]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6679.png



Quote: King Street Cat "I've always been in favour of going all guns blazing with the branding and calling them London Rugby League.'"

a quid'll get you a tenner that the majority of London sports fans would ask who was in this London Rugby League?

Harlequins, Wasps, Saracens......?????

Harlequins RL on our shirts was mistaken for Harlequins Rugby Lessons icon_lol.gif .......it was one of the lame excuses MacKay/Hughes rolled out to explain why they changes us back to the Broncos. d040.gif

What we have been called has not one jot of influence over the demise of the club.......bad management with a massive dollop of megalomania from Hughes, together with "lip service" from the RFL and SKY has done that.

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Quote: Him "No it wouldn't and it's not about them having small ambitions. It's about them having appropriate ambitions and appropriate marketing. Nothing stops them going beyond and appealing to people beyond their "home town". In the same way every football club in London does.
But when they've had a nomadic existence, have pretty much no current support and have no roots at all, I don't think it a bad idea to put some down.'"

Nobody thinks it is a bad idea for them to put down roots. And yes their support is small. Identifying as a club for a smaller area isnt going to change that.

And lets not beat around the bush, by appropriate you mean smaller.

Every London football club would love to be THE London club. The reasons they arent are historic and not really beneficial to them.

Quote: Him "By the way Leeds weren't originally called Leeds RLFC. They had a name that most certainly wasn't aiming to appeal to the entire city at the time. As it grew it did and changed its name.
But anyway the comparison is daft as Leeds is a city with a high degree of RL awareness and a lot of interest and participation in the city. In London there isn't.'"

The degree of RL awareness in Leeds is nothing to do with why the Leeds Rhinos are the Leeds Rhinos and not the Headingley Rhinos.

There is a reason why Leeds are much bigger than Hunslet, Why Bramley arent a pro club.

There is a reason why Otley and Roundhay became Leeds Carnegie and now Yorkshire Carnegie.

The reason why people argue London shouldnt be London but some smaller area of it is the same reason people argue against a rise in cap, against marquee exemptions. If only the clubs spent a bit less, it would be easier for everyone to compete. The unavoidable consequence is the game is smaller.

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Quote: SmokeyTA "Nobody thinks it is a bad idea for them to put down roots. And yes their support is small. Identifying as a club for a smaller area isnt going to change that. '"

Why? Would you think Leeds should call themselves England Rhinos then? Missing out on all those Cornish supporters.

Quote: SmokeyTA "And lets not beat around the bush, by appropriate you mean smaller. '"

No I mean exactly what I said. Appropriate. And there is a difference between having ambitions and being able to fulfill them.

Quote: SmokeyTA "The degree of RL awareness in Leeds is nothing to do with why the Leeds Rhinos are the Leeds Rhinos and not the Headingley Rhinos. '"

Dear god smokey. Honestly, one of these days you'll actually admit that black is in fact black and not actually white.

Quote: SmokeyTA "There is a reason why Leeds are much bigger than Hunslet, Why Bramley arent a pro club. '"

Just the one? Seriously? icon_confused.gif

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The village mindest from some posters is amazing.

If you are a 'new' sport trying to gain a foothold in London you are going to do sfa by naming the side after a suburb/sub-region. You're automatically alienating a huge amount of possible fans before a game is played.
The British US sport leagues all have 'London' teams for this reason. It's the reason why the Melbourne Storm are not the Knox Storm and the reason why the West Coast Pirates won't be the Highgate Pirates, etc, etc.

It all means nothing anyway if the RFL will not or cannot properly support them though. They need to be able to attract the marketable/big name players either through RFL encouragement or by financial incentives to help win over fans.

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