FORUMS FORUMS






RLFANS.COM
Celebrating
25 years service to
the Rugby League
Community!
  
FORUMS > The Virtual Terrace > SL clubs unhappy with RFL
437 posts in 30 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, Durham Giant , TimperleySaint
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach5214No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Aug 200618 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Sep 2024Sep 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
27476.gif
:CROWN: I am the hash browns of rlfans :CROWN::27476.gif



Quote: bewareshadows "So if tier 2 can have a salary cap of £900k, then it blows out the water that theory that tier 2 clubs will not be able to compete with those teams at the bottom of SL.

Also will explain the worry of SL clubs, if Championship clubs are brought within closer range of them.'"


Would explain it if it was the lower end clubs but 6 out of the top 8 aren't really looking over their shoulder surely?

I think it's a great thing the championship clubs having a bigger salary cap (so long as they can afford it) and should see more retention of players from the current academy system which is only a good thing

I agree with most of the proposals - just not the structure and am disappointed that some of the marketing aspects have been left out

RankPostsTeam
Club Owner20966No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Aug 200321 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Jun 2015Feb 2015LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
6679_1399761959.png
[quote="dally messenger":1gysl9ow]was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have[/quote:1gysl9ow] [quote="eels fan":1gysl9ow]You poor poor obsessed fat ex vichyballin potato thieving stoaway.[/quote:1gysl9ow]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6679.png



Quote: bewareshadows "Also will explain the worry of SL clubs, if Championship clubs are brought within closer range of them.'"

I doubt IL is worried about Doncaster having a few bob extra to spend on players... icon_lol.gif

RankPostsTeam
Club Owner33944No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 200421 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Mar 2016Mar 2016LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
9005.jpg
kcab sfrawdder Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done But he with a chuckle replied That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried. So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin On his face. If he worried he hid it. He started to sing as he tackled the thing That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg



Quote: gutterfax "I doubt IL is worried about Doncaster having a few bob extra to spend on players...
Correct, nothing to do with money, more to do with power, It seems to me they have fnally come to the conclusion the majority of Championship fans did years ago, the RFL and its leaders are clueless

RankPostsTeam
International Star1002No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Apr 201212 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Jun 2015Feb 2015LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



It seems quite popular to label SL Chairmen as self-ed, as if this is a great sin. Obviously, if you own a particular club, you're looking out for the interests of that club, but these people are not universally morons. Some (most I'd imagine) clearly understand that their own club does best in a thriving competition and in a thriving sport in general. Most if not all also love the sport of RL. Don't jump to caricature all SL Chairmen as nothing but greedy fools.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach255No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jun 200915 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Feb 2014Oct 2013LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



Changing the structure of SL every few years isn't going to change anything. The game needs big bucks, just like NRL and Union... easier said than done I accept, but both the RFL and Clubs need to make it the number one priority. All these problems stem from financial difficulties. And to get past that the game needs to face the hardest task, marketing, The one issue that the RFL seem to avoid. Big sponsors and pushing the game down south would be a good place to start. And with the WC coming up, it would do wonders for England if they got to the final at least, the country seems to grab on to any success from the UK. Union in England seems to survive heavily upon it's national team. We've got the talent no doubt, hence why players have been poached from our game for as long as I can remember... and they still are today. And SL is the second most watched sport on Sky, the fans are there, but it needs to be pushing on now, in fact it should've been eight years ago. Sadly, it's the RFL's job to sell our game... and it's evident they're not doing it.

As for the revolt, I think it'll do good just to simply rattle the RFL. As I said, they've got too comfortable sat in Red Hall with no questions asked. Sadly, the said revolt doesn't push for the biggest issue, marketing.

JTB
RankPostsTeam
Moderator21013
JoinedServiceReputation
Feb 200322 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Oct 2023Sep 2022LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
3968_1516922165.jpg
scotty 10 says: how du spell eal? is it eel?:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_3968.jpg

Moderator


Quote: Magic Superbeetle "and am disappointed that some of the marketing aspects have been left out'"


You're assuming that there are marketing aspects to an RFL plan?

RankPostsTeam
International Board Member4064
JoinedServiceReputation
Sep 200222 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Aug 2024Dec 2023LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
2940_1318161088.gif
:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_2940.gif



Quote: gutterfax "and the blame for this mess lies fairly at the feet of the RFL who have apparently been to busy saving Bradford and Buying Iconic Odsal to concentrate on running the sport and generating revenue.

Tubby Nigel can't survive this, can he?'"


Yes. The mistake the RFL made was that they should have said to SLE concerning Bradford "Not our problem. You are an independent group, outside the RFL and have total control of the Sky money. Bradford are one of your member clubs so it is your responsibility to bail them out".

RankPostsTeam
International Board Member4064
JoinedServiceReputation
Sep 200222 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Aug 2024Dec 2023LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
2940_1318161088.gif
:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_2940.gif



Quote: brearley84 "depends in whos eyes are the real champions... under the new proposal more emphasis would be put on winning the league and we all know deep down the real champs win the league'"


I agree 100% and always have.

Also, if P&R returns in whatever form, it should be the league winner who is promoted as they have proved themselves to be consistently the best team throughout the season and ergo are best prepared to step up.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach5214No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Aug 200618 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Sep 2024Sep 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
27476.gif
:CROWN: I am the hash browns of rlfans :CROWN::27476.gif



Quote: JTB "You're assuming that there are marketing aspects to an RFL plan?'"


Maybe I was naive and hopeful icon_wink.gif

There's an awful lot in the review about expansion but not anything about making it work - got to question the plan - build the temple and they will come?

Also "expansion of the game" is a very generic term, I'd of thought they'd have specific ideas over where to expand in the coming years or is it a case wherever we find a club pop up in another area then well get to work? This area of the document seems very speculative to me

I like what's planned for an increase in ways round the salary cap with home grown players (but increases confusion given the plans for the academies)

RankPostsTeam
Moderator12633
JoinedServiceReputation
Jun 200717 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Sep 2024Sep 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
33809_1522680904.png
'Thus I am tormented by my curiosity and humbled by my ignorance.' from History of an Old Bramin, The New York Mirror (A Weekly Journal Devoted to Literature and the Fine Arts), February 16th 1833.:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_33809.png

Moderator


A lot of sense in that report, IMO.

I don't agree with everything, but as it implies in the foreword you can't please all the people on every detail and we need some kind of structure implementing.

If the disagreement is purely about the best way of structuring fixtures and how (not whether) to bring back P&R, then I'd hate to see the baby chucked out with the bath water. That gap really should be bridgeable.

It seems to offer a way forward together, and I think 'self-interested' division will ultimately be self-defeating.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach15511
JoinedServiceReputation
Feb 200916 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Jun 2020Sep 2019LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
43854_1545310668.jpg
HUDDERSFIELD - THE BIRTHPLACE OF RUGBY LEAGUE:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_43854.jpg



Quote: Les Norton "You're starting to sound like a desperate fool.

Wigan 'won the League', Wigan are the 'real' Champions.

Really, I'd quit it now.'"


wigan didnt win the league they finished 4th.

play offs is a separate competition.

both the league and playoffs need restructuring, its a farce as it is

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach2150
JoinedServiceReputation
Dec 200915 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Sep 2024Mar 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
47557_1332937611.jpg
:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_47557.jpg



Huddersfield wouldn't have won the league if the league leaders were crowned champions. A few other clubs in the top 5 would have put more emphasis on all the league fixtures rather than most of them.

RankPostsTeam
Club Coach450
JoinedServiceReputation
Feb 200520 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Dec 2023Apr 2023LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
12984_1386949992.jpg
cadoo wrote:Rugby Union - for when entertainment just isn't your thing.:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_12984.jpg



Sad but true.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach1419No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Dec 200816 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2014Oct 2014LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
41801_1347868969.png
:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_41801.png



Quote: bewareshadows "So if tier 2 can have a salary cap of £900k, then it blows out the water that theory that tier 2 clubs will not be able to compete with those teams at the bottom of SL.

Also will explain the worry of SL clubs, if Championship clubs are brought within closer range of them.'"


Way, way more interestingly The Tier 2 Salary Cap for 2015 would be increased to a maximum of £900k. As in Tier 1, the Salary Cap Value of a Club Trained Player would be limited to a nominal value of £40k (i.e. for any Club Trained Player with a Salary Cap Value of over £40k, his Salary Cap Value will be assessed at £40k only with any additional wage “off cap”). This would reward clubs for producing talent and give them an opportunity to retain this talent in the face of competition from other (primarily Super League) clubs. '"



Hadn't noticed this part of the proposal before, that really changes things... an entirely home grown squad has virtually no salary cap in the second tier! If it only counts the top 25 players in the cap still.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach5214No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Aug 200618 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Sep 2024Sep 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
27476.gif
:CROWN: I am the hash browns of rlfans :CROWN::27476.gif



Quote: Bovrick "
Hadn't noticed this part of the proposal before, that really changes things... an entirely home grown squad has virtually no salary cap in the second tier! If it only counts the top 25 players in the cap still.'"


20 players up to the 40k is 800k and then the rest for bought in players seems a pretty good incentive to me

The super league equivalent (home grown players costing 100k on the cap) isn't quite as flexible as that so it's a pretty good incentive for everyone to get involved in youth development.

The home grown incentive and the championship salary cap increase are the best two things in the proposal

437 posts in 30 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, Durham Giant , TimperleySaint
437 posts in 30 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, Durham Giant , TimperleySaint



All views expressed are those of the author and not necessarily those of the RLFANS.COM or its subsites.

Whilst every effort is made to ensure that news stories, articles and images are correct, we cannot be held responsible for errors. However, if you feel any material on this website is copyrighted or incorrect in any way please contact us using the link at the top of the page so we can remove it or negotiate copyright permission.

RLFANS.COM, the owners of this website, is not responsible for the content of its sub-sites or posts, please email the author of this sub-site or post if you feel you find an article offensive or of a choice nature that you disagree with.

Copyright 1999 - 2024 RLFANS.COM

You must be 18+ to gamble, for more information and for help with gambling issues see https://www.begambleaware.org/.



Please Support RLFANS.COM


4.583984375:5
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
Recent
Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE
Zig
2887
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
6s
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
40096
7s
TV Games - Not Hull
boardwalkemp
2782
12s
This weeks disciplinary
MorePlaymake
1345
13s
Film game
Boss Hog
3765
14s
Round 27 HKR Away
His Bobness
56
18s
Shopping list for 2025
DSJ1983
5113
45s
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
Jake the Peg
3135
46s
BORED The Band Name Game
Boss Hog
62457
1m
Recruitment rumours and links
Uncle Rico
3075
1m
Betting 2024
Moe syslak
174
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Hull KR Secure Second With Victory Over Leeds
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Tonights match v London
karetaker
41
TODAY
Wembley photo
AgbriggAmble
3
TODAY
Wigan Seal League Leaders Trophy By Thrashing Salford
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Barrow
PopTart
9
TODAY
Holly Spurr Interview
JamieRobinso
1
TODAY
Wolves again
BigTime
24
TODAY
Academy Players Promoted to First Team Squad
Simba16
2
TODAY
Squads - Leopards v Saints
Deeeekos
4
TODAY
Round 27 HKR Away
His Bobness
56
TODAY
Squad for London
MorePlaymake
38
TODAY
Hull FC preview
Hessle Roade
2
TODAY
Halifax A
dddooommm
5
TODAY
East stand
PopTart
12
TODAY
Locations of League
Wollo-Wollo-
1
TODAY
Matt Parcell to leave at seasons end
Huddersfield
1
TODAY
Huddersfiels to get new stadium
RobRiches
2
TODAY
IMG
Fantastic Mr
9
TODAY
Leaving players
Murphy
1
TODAY
bulls on Sunday
Greg Florimo
28
TODAY
Concerts at Stadiums
Fantastic Mr
11
TODAY
Finn out Murrell in
faxcar
11
TODAY
Playoff Semi Final
MattyB
3
TODAY
Bulls Accounts up to Nov 2023
Highlander
20
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
Hull KR Secure Second With Vic..
130
Wigan Seal League Leaders Trop..
269
Wakefield Trinity Sweep Aside ..
888
Catalans Keep Season Alive Wit..
658
Salford Ensure Play-Offs And S..
756
Ruthless Wigan Thrash the Rhin..
795
Huddersfield Giants Hold Off L..
1113
Salford Close In On The Play O..
1040
Leigh Leopards Up To Fourth Af..
1142
Leeds Rhinos Into the Six Afte..
1216
Wigan Warriors Defeat Hull KR ..
1153
Wane Names Provisional Squad f..
1520
Leeds Rhinos Ride Their Luck F..
1560
Wigan Warriors Level Top As Ca..
1610
Castleford Tigers Inflict Anot..
1536
POSTSONLINEREGISTRATIONSRECORD
19.63M 2,812 ↑10180,12114,103
LOGIN HERE
or REGISTER for more features!.

When you register you get access to the live match scores, live match chat and you can post in the discussions on the forums.
RLFANS Match Centre
 TODAY
     National Rugby League 2024-R29
10:50
Sydney
v
Manly
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R27
15:00
Hull FC
v
Catalans
       Championship 2024-R27
18:00
Featherstone
v
Dewsbury
18:00
Widnes
v
Toulouse
19:30
Wakefield
v
Barrow
 TOMORROW
       Championship 2024-R27
15:00
Batley
v
Swinton
15:00
Halifax
v
Bradford
15:00
Swinton
v
Doncaster
       League One 2024-R24
15:00
Hunslet
v
Midlands
15:00
Keighley
v
Rochdale
 Fri 27th Sep
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R28
20:00
Salford
v
Leigh
 Sat 28th Sep
       Championship 2024-R28
17:00
Toulouse
v
Batley
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R28
17:00
Warrington
v
St.Helens
 Sun 29th Sep
       Championship 2024-R28
15:00
Barrow
v
Widnes
15:00
Bradford
v
Swinton
15:00
Dewsbury
v
Sheffield
15:00
Wakefield
v
Doncaster
15:00
Whitehaven
v
Halifax
15:00
York
v
Featherstone
 Sun 27th Oct 2024
     Mens Internationals 2024-R2
14:30
England M
v
Samoa M
ALL SCORES PROVIDED BY RLFANS.COM (SETTINGS)
Matches on TV
Sat 21st Sep
SL
15:00
Hull FC-Catalans
Sun 27th Oct
MINT2024
14:30
England M-Samoa M
Sat 2nd Nov
MINT2024
14:30
England M-Samoa M
Fri 20th Sep
SL 27 Hull KR26-16Leeds
SL 27 Leigh18-12St.Helens
SL 27 Warrington54-0LondonB
CH 27 Sheffield24-26York
NRL 29 Cronulla26-18NQL Cowboys
Thu 19th Sep
SL 27 Huddersfield34-10Castleford
SL 27 Wigan64-0Salford
Sun 15th Sep
WSL2024 14 FeatherstoneW6-32York V
WSL2024 14 Hudds W36-0Wire W
CH 26 Barrow34-14Whitehaven
CH 26 Bradford16-14Batley
CH 26 Dewsbury16-28Swinton
CH 26 Doncaster30-14Widnes
CH 26 Featherstone6-20Sheffield
CH 26 Wakefield20-4York
NRL 28 Canterbury22-24Manly
L1 23 Midlands24-22Workington
L1 23 Rochdale30-18Hunslet
Sat 14th Sep
SL 26 Hull FC4-58Salford
SL 26 Catalans12-8LondonB
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 27 721 336 385 44
Hull KR 27 719 327 392 42
Warrington 27 738 319 419 40
Salford 27 550 547 3 32
Leigh 27 566 398 168 31
St.Helens 27 596 388 208 30
 
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Catalans 26 451 423 28 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 26 324 870 -546 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 24 892 256 636 46
Bradford 24 618 373 245 32
Toulouse 23 662 340 322 31
York 26 639 463 176 28
Sheffield 25 618 498 120 28
Widnes 24 513 433 80 27
 
Featherstone 24 566 472 94 26
Doncaster 24 470 527 -57 23
Batley 24 378 513 -135 20
Halifax 24 475 617 -142 20
Barrow 23 418 648 -230 19
Swinton 24 446 606 -160 18
Whitehaven 24 414 806 -392 16
Dewsbury 25 308 821 -513 2
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
Recent
Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE
Zig
2887
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
6s
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
40096
7s
TV Games - Not Hull
boardwalkemp
2782
12s
This weeks disciplinary
MorePlaymake
1345
13s
Film game
Boss Hog
3765
14s
Round 27 HKR Away
His Bobness
56
18s
Shopping list for 2025
DSJ1983
5113
45s
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
Jake the Peg
3135
46s
BORED The Band Name Game
Boss Hog
62457
1m
Recruitment rumours and links
Uncle Rico
3075
1m
Betting 2024
Moe syslak
174
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Hull KR Secure Second With Victory Over Leeds
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Tonights match v London
karetaker
41
TODAY
Wembley photo
AgbriggAmble
3
TODAY
Wigan Seal League Leaders Trophy By Thrashing Salford
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Barrow
PopTart
9
TODAY
Holly Spurr Interview
JamieRobinso
1
TODAY
Wolves again
BigTime
24
TODAY
Academy Players Promoted to First Team Squad
Simba16
2
TODAY
Squads - Leopards v Saints
Deeeekos
4
TODAY
Round 27 HKR Away
His Bobness
56
TODAY
Squad for London
MorePlaymake
38
TODAY
Hull FC preview
Hessle Roade
2
TODAY
Halifax A
dddooommm
5
TODAY
East stand
PopTart
12
TODAY
Locations of League
Wollo-Wollo-
1
TODAY
Matt Parcell to leave at seasons end
Huddersfield
1
TODAY
Huddersfiels to get new stadium
RobRiches
2
TODAY
IMG
Fantastic Mr
9
TODAY
Leaving players
Murphy
1
TODAY
bulls on Sunday
Greg Florimo
28
TODAY
Concerts at Stadiums
Fantastic Mr
11
TODAY
Finn out Murrell in
faxcar
11
TODAY
Playoff Semi Final
MattyB
3
TODAY
Bulls Accounts up to Nov 2023
Highlander
20
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
Hull KR Secure Second With Vic..
130
Wigan Seal League Leaders Trop..
269
Wakefield Trinity Sweep Aside ..
888
Catalans Keep Season Alive Wit..
658
Salford Ensure Play-Offs And S..
756
Ruthless Wigan Thrash the Rhin..
795
Huddersfield Giants Hold Off L..
1113
Salford Close In On The Play O..
1040
Leigh Leopards Up To Fourth Af..
1142
Leeds Rhinos Into the Six Afte..
1216
Wigan Warriors Defeat Hull KR ..
1153
Wane Names Provisional Squad f..
1520
Leeds Rhinos Ride Their Luck F..
1560
Wigan Warriors Level Top As Ca..
1610
Castleford Tigers Inflict Anot..
1536


Visit the RLFANS.COM SHOP
for more merchandise!