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| Quote: SmokeyTA "I dont either, but then i dont know him well enough to make that decision, he wouldnt be the best example of what i mean.
But if you look at someone like Buderus, Barrett, Gidley et al, real leaders, then they will make that kind of contribution.'"
Buderus ,
You might learn how to mess about at the PTB , that's about all
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| Quote: Roofs "When/where did I say that?
If you did, I'm sure Mrs Sad will find it and have it on here in the blink of an eye
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "Buderus has been arguably the premier 9 in the game for a decade, has won NRLs, captained at NSW at state of Origin (a record number of times no less), Captained Newcastle, is a Dally M winner and all round legend, he probably has a little knowledge to pass on.'"
No better than half a dozen others in SL , unless of course you and others consider constantly messing about at the PTB as good play
Maybe he is just past it , one of those ' pension topping up Aussies ' we keep hearing about , he offers nothing different or better than many other players from this country
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| Quote: Starbug "No better than half a dozen others in SL , unless of course you and others consider constantly messing about at the PTB as good play
Maybe he is just past it , one of those ' pension topping up Aussies ' we keep hearing about , he offers nothing different or better than many other players from this country'"
Like who?
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| Smokey you're getting boring now.
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| Quote: Roofs "Smokey you're getting boring now.
not long until i reach your level then is it?
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "Like who?'"
Higham , Diskin , Hudson , Roby , and recent hooker converts Robinson , Moore and leuluia
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| Quote: Starbug "Higham , Diskin , Hudson , Roby , and recent hooker converts Robinson , Moore and leuluia'"
really? Buderus' pass selection, pass speed, decision making, and defence is far superior Diskin. Higham really isnt on the same level, he has good speed around the ruck but thats it, Lueuai is the same. Robinson is still a half,
Roby, maybe, im a big fan of Hudson but he hasnt in his career been consistant enough
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "Buderus has been arguably the premier 9 in the game for a decade, has won NRLs, captained at NSW at state of Origin (a record number of times no less), Captained Newcastle, is a Dally M winner and all round legend, he probably has a little knowledge to pass on.'"
This reveals the hypocricy of your argument. You haven't seen that kind of form at Leeds have you? Or at least you can't honestly say you have. He's done it all before but not at Leeds, because what you've done is sign a player who undeniably has his best years behind him, as most clubs do. At least signing a "fringe" NRL player might unearth a real gem with their best years in front of them. A bit like Dobson. Or maybe Green.
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| Quote: SmokeyTA " the couple of games given to 22 year old Mike Ratu. '"
Is this the same Mike Ratu who's been injured most of the season? And who would you bring him in for Welham? Cockayne? Injured or not it's not a foreign player that's been keeping Ratu out of the side.
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "I disagree, i dont think he is a very good winger. He is a decent one, but both Hall and Smith have spent the season being picked ahead of him. And personally i would do the same.
And people dont doubt that Smith is an out and out winger because he struggles there, they doubt that because he has had some outstanding performances at full back where he has offered more. '"
No they haven't spent the season being picked ahead of him, in the last few games they have not the entire season and since that policy was reversed for the game v Wigan maybe McClennan got it wrong? Plus that would be assessing Donald's quality on his last season alone which has been fairly poor by his standards and with a very good season by Hall. How you get to Lee Smith being a better winger than Donald I have no idea. He's a useful utility player in that you can stick him anywhere in the 3/4's and he'll do a good job for you but he is not a great player in any position. These games you say he had outstanding performances at full back, firstly are irrelevant in whether he is a better winger than Donald and secondly they weren't this season.
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I havent said we need to immediately drop to five, simply that we dont need clubs having 10.'"
Yes you did, you certainly implied a big drop in the overseas quota.
Quote: SmokeyTA " Also alot of that 33 would be some very average overseas players and the quality of the league really wouldnt be hugely impacted if at all by getting rid of them. I have no doubt that there are young players in the lower leagues and in academies who could do just as good a job as Charlie Leeano, Michael Korkidas, Rhys Lovegrove, Ben Fisher, Blake Green, Scott Donald, Cameron Phelps, et al.'"
Right, thats 7 players you think are average Aussies, which English players not currently in SL are good enough to replace them EVERY WEEK. And then when you've done that find another 26 to replace the rest.
Quote: SmokeyTA "And giving the youngsters a few games doesnt mean a fall in standards, we will find a few stars. Chris Clarkson only got so many games this year because of injuries at Leeds, he is now there on merit and has the potential to get much better, it helps him reach that potential that he is getting game time.'"
Of course it means a drop in standards, short term. Playing Clarkson was a drop in standards from who he replaced at the time. Now it has to be done to blood young players, but thats why you do it slowly and steadily and not simply get rid.
I'm not getting into a cut & paste war with you because simply I'd lose the will to live.
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| Quote: Barnacle Bill "This reveals the hypocricy of your argument. You haven't seen that kind of form at Leeds have you? Or at least you can't honestly say you have. He's done it all before but not at Leeds, because what you've done is sign a player who undeniably has his best years behind him, as most clubs do. At least signing a "fringe" NRL player might unearth a real gem with their best years in front of them. A bit like Dobson.
what you have written here is completely nonsense. Or are you really suggesting that SL clubs should focus on signing players who arent first team players at NRL clubs because they are better than the players chosen ahead of them in the NRL?
Buderus has been good for Leeds, He is a very good player, he was instrumental in Leeds winning the CC semi at Saints, has been outstanding quite a few times.
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