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Quote: Ste100Centurions "The real issues here are that the sport of Rugby League needs to expand in order to drive meaningful International competition & as a by product drive up attendance, finance, participation & growth but it has simply been done the wrong way due to the RFL being totally inept & not fit for purpose.

SLE are no better either with Eric Pollard & McManus seeking to feather their own beds while simultaneously cutting off the roots & building RL on a bed of sand.

Here should be the plan .....

You talk with the then proposed TW franchise & stipulate that
1) You will enter at Championship level & play there for 3 years while in preparation for entry to SL.
2) Your Club finances & revenue streams will be submitted & reviewed quarterly & total transparency is vital to your acceptance into RFL membership.
3) Teams in *for sake of argument* Vancouver, NY, Boston, Chicago, Philadelphia will be required within 10 years, 5 years to set up 3 new Franchises 1 in Canada & 2 in the USA.
4) Toulouse given an ultimatum to be ready for direct entry to SL in 3 years with all criteria met & signed off.
5) London & Bradford to be SL ready in 3 to 5 years with all criteria met & signed off + the RFL should sell off Odsal & work with Bradford towards a fit venue.
6) A new 2 x 10 SL format to be introduced by X date rubber sealed *it is workable if SL1 has no value over SL2 mixing the teams in each year on year to avoid SL1/SL2 becoming simply SL/Championship which I have explained elsewhere previously*
7. New Championship Semi-Pro

All of this has to be managed with transparency & remove the smoke & mirrors, favours & lies that exist now.
It will emerge in years to come that TW have been favoured by the RFL & deals done, most likely that there is Salary Cap overspend &/or exemption from normal marquee rules + the whole home & away fixture farce.

Remove the deception & lies & I believe this would have the backing of the majority rather than just pro expansionists we have now.

Thoughts ?'"

Honestly, forget Toronto and USA, concentrate on the current UK clubs and not only Super League. I don't think i'm in a minority when I say the game will lose many many fans if / when SL becomes global with Toronto & 2 French. Which could very well be next season.
(puts on helmet to deflect a barrage of expansionist come backs icon_biggrin.gif )

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Quote: metallicat "Honestly, forget Toronto and USA, concentrate on the current UK clubs and not only Super League. I don't think i'm in a minority when I say the game will lose many many fans if / when SL becomes global with Toronto & 2 French. Which could very well be next season.
(puts on helmet to deflect a barrage of expansionist come backs
I tend to agree. It is a massive risk. Try to expand therefore killing smaller UK clubs and the gamble doesn't pay off then the sport will die

However, don't try to expand and the game may wither.

Try to expand within the UK - pro team in Coventry for example has a decent if not perfect chance of success but with lesser risk.

I wonder if Sky will keep funding us in a couple of years anyway? Fox buys Sky then Disney buy Fox. Do you think RL is a Disney type of sport?

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Quote: Gallanteer "Do you think RL is a Disney type of sport?'"

Well there's plenty of odd characters running it & making it a Mickey Mouse sport !

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Quote: Gallanteer "I tend to agree. It is a massive risk. Try to expand therefore killing smaller UK clubs and the gamble doesn't pay off then the sport will die

However, don't try to expand and the game may wither.

Try to expand within the UK - pro team in Coventry for example has a decent if not perfect chance of success but with lesser risk.

I wonder if Sky will keep funding us in a couple of years anyway? Fox buys Sky then Disney buy Fox. Do you think RL is a Disney type of sport?'"


According to BBC radio yesterday Fox are not going to buying Sky anymore.

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Quote: Gallanteer "Try to expand therefore killing smaller UK clubs and the gamble doesn't pay off then the sport will die'"

That's down to the mismanagement of the clubs not the game as a whole though.
Many clubs have had 123 years to establish themselves in their own catchment area and most have failed, time to offer our incredible sport to new regions and markets.

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Quote: RLRealist "That's down to the mismanagement of the clubs not the game as a whole though.
Many clubs have had 123 years to establish themselves in their own catchment area and most have failed, time to offer our incredible sport to new regions and markets.'"


You are are either interested in watching a sport/attending a game, or you are not.
For example, nobody could force me into watching any local Basketball, Ice Hockey, Gridiron, Rugby Union or Cricket teams.
Rugby League was extremely well supported in England, until the early 1970's....since then OVERALL it has struggled, and is a minority sport spectator wise.
Football has taken over many regions of the UK, even for folk just 'watching it at home/in a pub'. Just ask any Widnes Vikings fan...
There is NO magic wand for our struggling sport, and GOD only know why Rugby Union is so popular, but it's not just down to marketing.
3 years after Leigh won the challenge cup in 1971, we had our lowest ever home attendance v Hull, only 450 fans were at the game !
Who's fault was that exactly ?
It 'is what it is' but expanding the game worldwide, will/has only result(ed) in smaller home crowds for English teams in games versus the likes of Catalans, Toulouse, Toronto, New York, and any other potential global franchise.

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so...this is a post I recently added to the London site on the subject of expansion.........it was (as usual) off the cuff and not though out......but the realism of time now makes me think that it has merit...Castleford fans can still enjoy the game v Wakey.....but united, they can both enjoy turning over New York.....is this what Mo had in mid 23 years ago?
Quote: Call Me God "icon_eek.gif Blimey....I was only jesting about the Mergers
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Quote: Budgiezilla "You are are either interested in watching a sport/attending a game, or you are not.
For example, nobody could force me into watching any local Basketball, Ice Hockey, Gridiron, Rugby Union or Cricket teams.
Rugby League was extremely well supported in England, until the early 1970's....since then OVERALL it has struggled, and is a minority sport spectator wise.
Football has taken over many regions of the UK, even for folk just 'watching it at home/in a pub'. Just ask any Widnes Vikings fan...
There is NO magic wand for our struggling sport, and GOD only know why Rugby Union is so popular, but it's not just down to marketing.
3 years after Leigh won the challenge cup in 1971, we had our lowest ever home attendance v Hull, only 450 fans were at the game !
Who's fault was that exactly ?
It 'is what it is' but expanding the game worldwide, will/has only result(ed) in smaller home crowds for English teams in games versus the likes of Catalans, Toulouse, Toronto, New York, and any other potential global franchise.'"


Hard work, consistency and vision is what will make it work. Something lacking from the ethical root of Sooper Greed and the leagues below it.
The RFL fck about too much and don't allow things to establish in the British game.
Now watch how the NRL will put on their Magic Weekend for example. Suncorp will be packed.

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Quote: RLRealist "Hard work, consistency and vision is what will make it work. Something lacking from the ethical root of Sooper Greed and the leagues below it.
The RFL fck about too much and don't allow things to establish in the British game.
Now watch how the NRL will put on their Magic Weekend for example. Suncorp will be packed.'"


Rugby League is Australia's national sport so they should be filling stadiums and have an abundance of quality players? Even then its predominantly a Sydney based league.

To get football off the ground in Australia they overpaid English Premier League players at the end of their careers to go over and boost the profile of the fledgling game over there whilst paying them big bucks to do so, The exact mirror image of what Rugby League does in the UK & France.

Expansion is a necessity for Rugby League however forget Trans-Atlantic fast tracking the RFL/SL owners have to invest in/make mandatory an academy & a reserve grade.

The player pool needs to expand, new players need to be coming through playing against each other at a competitive level, minimum academy contracts should be mandatory linked to the local college so that you get an education and a chance to play at the same time.

Rugby League needs to be seen as a career choice (apprenticeship) for young men with an education alongside it.

A clear pathway from High school via postcodes to pre-determined amateur clubs that feed a particular pro club.

Wigan do this very well with their local schools :- Rose Bridge High School-Ince Rose Bridge Amateur Club-Wigan Warriors U16's-Wigan Warriors Under 19's-Wigan Warriors First team.

A clear pathway for local youngsters would not only be more appealing to the young lads but also the parents as well who see their children getting an education as well as a shot at the big time.

Once this is flourishing expansion becomes easier to support.

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Quote: Binosh "Rugby League is Australia's national sport so they should be filling stadiums and have an abundance of quality players?'"


Second fiddle I'm afraid to Fumbleball (AFL). AFL get 3 x crowds than NRL sadly but Todd Greenberg is content with that and content that Western Australia is screaming for a club even more now that the Western Farce thugby club has gone but Toddy wants to appease Hugh Marks at Nine rather than appease 20,000 RL fans in Perth.

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It’s the main sport in Queensland and New South Wales, it isn’t in the other states. The only country where RL is the national sport in PNG.

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I don't really care who comes up, but for the good of the game, can Widnes just flipping well get relegated!?!

Surely they are odds on favourite to be relegated automatically leaving 2 champ sides to duke it out in the MPG? That would be a first and a great game to watch. Especially if it was Leigh and Toronto knocking 7 shades out of each other.

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If Fax beat TO tomorrow, then Leigh may well not even be in the M8's.

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Quote: HXSparky "If Fax beat TO tomorrow, then Leigh may well not even be in the M8's.'"


Definitely not, if London also beat Fev!!

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Leigh need both Toulouse and Toronto to win, how ironic as their fans have so much hatred for the two expansion clubs.

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