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| Quote: Levrier "I feel sad to see how many people on this forum are so comfortable with the use of cocaine. It may be common and alcohol may be just as bad but that does not lessen the dangers of taking illegal drugs and putting money into the pockets of people who promote misery (no not Shaun Wane). We all know the spiel. In this case the issue is not that it is common and should be treated differently from other drugs but that it is on the WADA list and we have signed up to it. Many drugs on that list are not illegal and many, like caffeine, are both common and legal. Some drugs have genuine medical uses. The simple fact is, that these substances are controlled. If a person uses them and is caught they know the likely penalties. Consider those who have been banned from their sport because they took a foreign version of a medicine that they use at home that had other active ingredients. They still got banned. The rule for substances on the list is that you are responsible for whatever gets into your system. In Hardaker's case he made the choice, but perhaps we could ask for a retrospective medical exemption on the grounds that he was taking cocaine as a medicine to deal with his own stupidity.
Well said, to put cocaine in the same category as alcohol is stupid, you can have 2-3 drinks (units etc) of alcohol just for enjoyment taste etc,With it having hardly any effect. You can't do this with cocaine, it's an instant and very effective hit.
I have used recreational drugs in my life pretty regular when younger, in clouding cocaine twice. And never again would I use it and absolutely condemn it it, its an awful drug, it leads to violence aggression like nothing else, it will be and should always be class A. They way kids use this alongside masssive amounts of alcohol that they would not normally be able to consume is dangerous and is the biggest cause of violence on nights out.
It's not at all like ecstasy, a euphoric drug or cannabis a relaxant or even amphetamines which have a longer but milder effect but similar to cocaine, this is bad , and needs stamping out.
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| Quote: rollin thunder "Well said, to put cocaine in the same category as alcohol is stupid, you can have 2-3 drinks (units etc) of alcohol just for enjoyment taste etc,With it having hardly any effect. You can't do this with cocaine, it's an instant and very effective hit.
I have used recreational drugs in my life pretty regular when younger, in clouding cocaine twice. And never again would I use it and absolutely condemn it it, its an awful drug, it leads to violence aggression like nothing else, it will be and should always be class A. They way kids use this alongside masssive amounts of alcohol that they would not normally be able to consume is dangerous and is the biggest cause of violence on nights out.
It's not at all like ecstasy, a euphoric drug or cannabis a relaxant or even amphetamines which have a longer but milder effect but similar to cocaine, this is bad poop, and needs stamping out.'"
I used to do drugs - now I don't - and nobody else should; good call.
The wider discussion is about the attitude towards certain drugs and the seemingly arbitrary nature of how some are classified as illegal, and others aren't; as it stands, people choosing a certain (illegal) high over another (legal) one, are forced into criminality - and the production and supply of those substances is forced underground and overseen by crims. There are plenty of examples of more enlightened attitudes to substance use in other parts of the world, that have produced positive outcomes - but we seem hell bent on maintaining a draconian attitude towards anything other than booze.
With regards to Hardaker - I concur with God; he took a substance that's on the banned list and was caught, so he's an idiot and he'll face censure. I don't feel sympathy for him - I feel some for Cas, who invested significant sums in an attempt to rescue his career.
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| Quote: bren2k "I used to do drugs - now I don't - and nobody else should; good call.
The wider discussion is about the attitude towards certain drugs and the seemingly arbitrary nature of how some are classified as illegal, and others aren't; as it stands, people choosing a certain (illegal) high over another (legal) one, are forced into criminality - and the production and supply of those substances is forced underground and overseen by crims. There are plenty of examples of more enlightened attitudes to substance use in other parts of the world, that have produced positive outcomes - but we seem hell bent on maintaining a draconian attitude towards anything other than booze.
With regards to Hardaker - I concur with God; he took a substance that's on the banned list and was caught, so he's an idiot and he'll face censure. I don't feel sympathy for him - I feel some for Cas, who invested significant sums in an attempt to rescue his career.'"
Were do I say don't do drugs, I simply pointed out from my experiences of drugs and cocaine that's is nasty stuff and not the same as ecstasy or cannabis and deserves to stay banned, the others yeah probably should be legal.
So when you stop trying to be a smart and re read my post you will see that.
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| Should be banned just because it's embarrassing seeing blokes queuing for the crappers in pubs and going in with their mate.
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| Quote: Call Me God "Idiot took a substance that was on the banned list and is banned! THE END!
Can't believe the length of this thread....'"
Agree.
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| Quote: Biff Tannen "erm.... maybe because it is one of the biggest RL stories/scandals of the year and it being a RL forum people are here to discuss it.'"
....and we wonder why we only get any media oxygen when it's negative
As for the "DISCUSSION"......what's actually been said over countless pages is that he's an idiot, some think he deserves a lesser punishment, others think he needs a longer punishement, some are surmising that he's depressed and that's why he acts like a cock, some think he needs support, whilst others think good reiddance.....when the reality is that a player took a banned substance and was banned.....there is a much bigger RL story starting in a couple of weeks and we should be discussing that, not some inbreds aptitude for self destruction!
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| Zak might be able to reasses his life based upon which of his mates still hang round with him when he's a nobody for two years and with no money.
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| Quote: Call Me God "....and we wonder why we only get any media oxygen when it's negative
This forum is for all topics RL. There are several RL WC topics on the VT and other club forums if you wish to partake.
If you are not interested iN talking about Zak anymore, avoid coming on here it's pretty simple
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Quote: Slugger McBatt "Zak might be able to reasses his life based upon which of his mates still hang round with him when he's a nobody for two years and with no money.'"
More likely to be 4 years, WADA doubled the 'standard' tariff from 1st Jan 2015: www.bbc.co.uk/sport/24955873
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Quote: Slugger McBatt "Zak might be able to reasses his life based upon which of his mates still hang round with him when he's a nobody for two years and with no money.'"
More likely to be 4 years, WADA doubled the 'standard' tariff from 1st Jan 2015: www.bbc.co.uk/sport/24955873
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| Quote: Call Me God "....and we wonder why we only get any media oxygen when it's negative
Yet here you are adding to the discussion- the irony.
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| Some moron (Cas fan) has started a facebook petition asking for amnesty from RFl and to be lenient to him. they say banning him wont help and may make him worse, he has demons blah bah bah mental health blah blah blah.
its probably the same person who started the campaign for the RFl to sine die him and get him jailed when he played for Leeds.
don't no who is the bigger idiot, the idiot or the idiot trying to defend him.
don't think the petition is going all that well.
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| I've seen some saying he should've played the GF regardless of what he did, which I find interesting.
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| Quote: Willzay "I've seen some saying he should've played the GF regardless of what he did, which I find interesting.'"
So they want RL to be the only 'major' sport (in this country at least) to distance itself from the principles and rules of its national anti-doping agency and, by inference, WADA? I'd imagine that might have a big influence on any future potential funding from Sports England/The National Lottery etc and probably even on potential future sponsors who would likely not want to be associated with a sport that would effectively be condoning 'doping'.
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| Quote: Willzay "I've seen some saying he should've played the GF regardless of what he did, which I find interesting.'"
If Cas had dropped him as soon as he failed the drugs test, they may not even have made the final.
After all, they barely squeaked past St Helens and that was with Hardaker at FB.
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| Four things are certain.
Hardaker deserves a lengthy ban.
Hardaker needs as much help as the RFL can give.
Castleford need a new full back.
There are some unbelievable numpties on this forum.
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