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Jean I agree the game has no future(limited) without expansion. It just doesn't need to happen today
I've said it before, we need to go back to franchising and set out standards for each club...reserve grade, youth development(maybe X number in squad), finance, facilities.....
Sadly Rimmer hasn't got the vision beyond tying his shoe laces before he leaves the house(Hopefully Elstone will take control). We need a long term vision for the game which includes stability, expansion, growth in sponsorship(these last two go hand in hand) TV deals .......
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| Quote: Call Me God "...whilst Halifax will be a sharp as tacks? ![]()
Think they’ll still go down to London looking to pick up a win. Yes they can’t reach the MPG but I don’t think they ever expected to and won’t want to end the Qualifers without a win and probably see this as their best shot.
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| Quote: Budgiezilla "a026.gif ![]()
Sorry, but he's right.
If we'd stuck with licences, Wales and quite possibly Bradford would have folded and imploded, to be replaced by "in all probability" Leigh and Fev or Fax. Del Boy would have been able to invest in other things other than trying to buy a place in SL and we'd have a 14 team SL with 2 new applications from Toronto and Toulouse to consider, resulting in 16 Professional full time sides.......no matter what structure you choose, chances are one of Wigan Saints or Leeds will feature in the Grand Final, but the steps Widnes made during licencing show what can be done once clubs stop spending money just to survive and get another hand out.....London really started to invest in the youth during licensing and because of that, we have a gaggle of home grown talet at the club now.....the return of Jeopardy has lasted 4 years....and soon it'll be 1 up/1 down with players swapping clubs as they pass each other.....
...and the loser in the coin flip between Fev and Fax for the last licence spot? Who cares? Sport is now a business and you either need 10k home fans or a sugar daddy.....so probably Fax, because Fev are drinking from a very crowded and busy well with Castleford and Wakefield already in the town and Halifax have show themselves to be more fiscally astute.
So, to be clear. If we'd stuck with licencing, Crusaders and Bradford would still have gone under and Leigh would now be in SL...... 
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| Quote: JEAN CAPDOUZE "But we need London, along with Toulouse and Toronto, to be confirmed in Super League by 2022, so we can get a more lucrative contract from Sky to start in 2022, and possibly a good contract from BeIN Sports and perhaps from Canadian television as well.'"
The non m62 clubs are vital for the game and should be given protection from relegation in Super League. This would help us to negotiate a strong tv deal in the UK, France and Canada. |
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| Quote: wire-quin "I've said it before, we need to go back to franchising and set out standards for each club...reserve grade, youth development(maybe X number in squad), finance, facilities.....'"
All good suggestions, the issue is as ever cash. The RFL/SL cannot insist on businesses implementing all these things unless they can put the funding on the table to cover it. They can't (I'm under no illusion that Elstone will fare any better than everyone else who's tried and may even do worse). What we'll end up with is a botched version with plenty of corners cut/blind eyes turned. Again. |
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Despite what the lunatics say, Toronto/Toulouse are not vital for the future of the game.
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| Quote: Sir Kevin Sinfield "The non m62 clubs are vital for the game and should be given protection from relegation in Super League. This would help us to negotiate a strong tv deal in the UK, France and Canada.'"
Wrong, wrong, wrong and wrong again !
IF "our" negotiating hand would be so strong with their inclusion, why is it that we have just had yet another restructure and not included any of them in SL.
The effect of the overseas expansion clubs to assist in improving the TV deal is zero, nil, zip, feck all.
How many additional Sky subscriptions will be sold in N.America / France if these clubs enter SL ??
IF there was a successful, well supported New York side plus competition form another 6/8 N.American clubs, then, MAYBE there could be something in it. However, this would also see the end of professional RL in the UK, which is a strange dream to chase. Turkeys and Christmas spring to mind. |
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| Quote: Willzay "Despite what the lunatics say, Toronto/Toulouse are not vital for the future of the game.'"
Yes they are.
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| Quote: Call Me God "Sorry, but he's right.
If we'd stuck with licences, Wales and quite possibly Bradford would have folded and imploded, to be replaced by "in all probability" Leigh and Fev or Fax. Del Boy would have been able to invest in other things other than trying to buy a place in SL and we'd have a 14 team SL with 2 new applications from Toronto and Toulouse to consider, resulting in 16 Professional full time sides.......no matter what structure you choose, chances are one of Wigan Saints or Leeds will feature in the Grand Final, but the steps Widnes made during licencing show what can be done once clubs stop spending money just to survive and get another hand out.....London really started to invest in the youth during licensing and because of that, we have a gaggle of home grown talet at the club now.....the return of Jeopardy has lasted 4 years....and soon it'll be 1 up/1 down with players swapping clubs as they pass each other.....
...and the loser in the coin flip between Fev and Fax for the last licence spot? Who cares? Sport is now a business and you either need 10k home fans or a sugar daddy.....so probably Fax, because Fev are drinking from a very crowded and busy well with Castleford and Wakefield already in the town and Halifax have show themselves to be more fiscally astute.
So, to be clear. If we'd stuck with licencing, Crusaders and Bradford would still have gone under and Leigh would now be in SL...... ![]()
nice speech are you an MP by any chance ?
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| Quote: Sir Kevin Sinfield "The non m62 clubs are vital for the game and should be given protection from relegation in Super League. This would help us to negotiate a strong tv deal in the UK, France and Canada.'"
Why should they be given protection? |
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To enable us to negotiate a strong multi year tv deal in the UK, France and Canada. Tv networks are only interested in showing the top league, hence no Championship RL is on tv (other than Toronto who currently film their own games for Canadian and British networks to spread RL throughout Ontario and Canada)
French and Canadian networks won’t want to sign up to showing RL when their team/teams could be relegated from the top tier.
We will all be better off financially if French and Canadian clubs are guaranteed Super League status.
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| Quote: Sir Kevin Sinfield "To enable us to negotiate a strong multi year tv deal in the UK, France and Canada. Tv networks are only interested in showing the top league, hence no Championship RL is on tv (other than Toronto who currently film their own games for Canadian and British networks to spread RL throughout Ontario and Canada)
French and Canadian networks won’t want to sign up to showing RL when their team/teams could be relegated from the top tier.
We will all be better off financially if French and Canadian clubs are guaranteed Super League status.'"
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If they are not good enough for SL, then relegate them...Its that simple.
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"We'll all better off" No we wont, we'll be exactly the same or maybe even worse off.
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HOW MANY TIMES?????
£20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000.
The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover.
There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. 
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