A return to annual P and R , well whoever wins the GF , and with 6 clubs all within 3 points it could be anybody who puts a couple of wins together

It certainley wont be Leigh though

Quote Wes Hooligan="Wes Hooligan"Have you got any proof of this? As far as I'm aware, they continue to be perfectly compliant with competition rules. Have you got any evidence to support your allegation that Celtic have been fielding ineligible players?'" news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 207827.stm "The investigation found discrepancies in the visa applications of the six players in seasons prior to 2009." Therefore - they wouldn't have received Visas without whatever the descrepancies were, meaning that they wouldn't have been here prior to this season. Three of them were here from day one, when they presumably first applied for the visas with the descrepancies.

Quote Wes Hooligan="Wes Hooligan"Have you got any proof of this? As far as I'm aware, they continue to be perfectly compliant with competition rules. Have you got any evidence to support your allegation that Celtic have been fielding ineligible players?'" news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 207827.stm "The investigation found discrepancies in the visa applications of the six players in seasons prior to 2009." Therefore - they wouldn't have received Visas without whatever the descrepancies were, meaning that they wouldn't have been here prior to this season. Three of them were here from day one, when they presumably first applied for the visas with the descrepancies.

That still doesn't mean they were illegal players. They were registered and Celtic had every right to field them. Visas are a means of getting into the country, and are nothing to do with any sporting organisation.

Starbug, I was not referring to you in my post.

How the heck you're a moderator I'll never know.

No, you're right, having a dodgy visa and the club not making adequate checks, as they are required to do by law, is fine.

No, I guess it's natural for people to gloat when you put a club on a pedestal and sneer at clubs which have been around for decades. Of which you and others have done plenty since Celtic were awarded a franchise.



Yep, it certainly is.

Short and to the point as ever Bill

It's not fine and they got their punishment by being deported and banned for ten years. They weren't ineligible players though, as you initially suggested, and to be honest it's completely the government's fault that they were allowed to live here for almost four years and were repeatedly let in and out of the country without ever being stopped at the border. They clearly had the relevant work permits, which is the club's responsibility, or they wouldn't have been able to be paid or to pay tax.

Who has put them on a pedestal? I have repeatedly defended them in the face of a barrage of attacks and mindless allegations from people who seem to be constantly poised ready to pounce on even the slightest mistake, and who wish the worst on a newly formed expansion club for no other reason than that they are successful. Are you trying to say that we should all condemn them, and that everyone should always agree with you? Do you realise that in your reply you have actually called the people you are trying to defend pathetic?

The whole game looks a bit silly because of this, people complain about press coverage, BBC bias etc - but they don't need to do anything while we keep shooting ourselves in the foot.

We weren't ready to have a 14 club Super League, and Celtic were not ready for a SL license - unfortunately the RFL knew that Samuels wouldn't hang around in the lower leagues building the club up properly and desperately shoe-horned them in .

The slightest mistake? Half the teams been deported for Christ's sake!

anybody who thinks rugby league will ever take off in wales is an absolute idiot