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| Well after reading most of the rubbish on the drop goal that was or never was is it not time to put it to bed no matter what people say it will not change the result it stands so get over it for god sake move on  |
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what happened to benefit of the doubt to the attacking team??
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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA":3lmp1ha6I think its more likely he just got caught up in the moment and forgot. How often is the ref asked to make that kind of decision, and how often does he refer it to the VR? I think he just got caught up in his usual process, looked at it, thought it went wide, blew for it. Never crossed his mind to go to the VR.
This is a big mistake for a ref btw, it’s a failure of process not judgement. Any ref, even the bestest in the world ever can make a mistake of judgement, none at his level should make a mistake of process.'"
Asked why he did not make use of the replays, he said: “I was in the right position to make the call so got a good view of the kick and it always stays left of the post. To be honest, it didn’t occur to me to go to the video referee as I’d made the decision.
“We’ve reviewed it (Monday) and the video referee says – with the two different camera angles available – it was inconclusive so, even if I’d asked him, he’d have had to come back to me to make the call anyway.
So after reading that statement what process has he failed in? He has stated it always stays left of the post, so why would he then go to the video ref? if you think we should go to the video ref for everything then you might as well watch a game that lasts 3 hours. Phil has done nothing wrong in this incident. |
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What was the view like from the grassy knoll?
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| Quote EHW="EHW"And what if he doesn't see anything, except the ball coming out?
Unless you want every single decision in the game referred to the video referee, then the on field referee is going to have to use his skill, knowledge and judgement to make the 50:50 calls. When the ball comes out in the tackle the ref has to make a call - he cant just ignore it.'"
He has to go on what he can see, surely. As soon as you allow him to start filling in the gaps you have all sorts of problems and prejudices.If all he knows for sure is that the ball has been lost in a forward direction then he is compelled to give a knock on. |
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The ref did not go to the video ref - despite his poor position to judge from - and this despite it being the match winner (if it goes over). Given the number of times they go to the Video Ref for less important and obvious decisions you have to ask why not this time? Was he really that sure, was there an "agenda", did he not realise he could, maybe he didn't have confidence in the VR after the knock-on decision?
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| Quote The_smiling_ref="The_smiling_ref"Quote from today's Yorkshire Post [urlwww.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/huddersfield/drop-goal-referee-bentham-says-video-call-would-not-have-spared-huddersfield-1-6547688[url
Asked why he did not make use of the replays, he said: “I was in the right position to make the call so got a good view of the kick and it always stays left of the post. To be honest, it didn’t occur to me to go to the video referee as I’d made the decision.
“We’ve reviewed it (Monday) and the video referee says – with the two different camera angles available – it was inconclusive so, even if I’d asked him, he’d have had to come back to me to make the call anyway.
So after reading that statement what process has he failed in? He has stated it always stays left of the post, so why would he then go to the video ref? if you think we should go to the video ref for everything then you might as well watch a game that lasts 3 hours. Phil has done nothing wrong in this incident.'"
I guess that's asked then. Bentham says he was in the right so he must be.  |
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| Quote The_smiling_ref="The_smiling_ref"
Asked why he did not make use of the replays, he said: “I was in the right position to make the call so got a good view of the kick and it always stays left of the post. To be honest, it didn’t occur to me to go to the video referee as I’d made the decision.
“We’ve reviewed it (Monday) and the video referee says – with the two different camera angles available – it was inconclusive so, even if I’d asked him, he’d have had to come back to me to make the call anyway.
So after reading that statement what process has he failed in? He has stated it always stays left of the post, so why would he then go to the video ref? if you think we should go to the video ref for everything then you might as well watch a game that lasts 3 hours. Phil has done nothing wrong in this incident.'"
He is wrong and proven wrong by the camera footage as we have seen from FA's posts. He thought it went left of the post, thats fine, he could not be sure. He was wrong.
The issue regarding Smith is irrelevant, the fact Smith admits he isnt competant to be a VR and wouldnt have made a decision is irrelevant. Bentham had no idea what the camera angles showed, he didnt know that one was inconclusive and one clearly showed the ball going over.
As Bentham admits, it never occured to him to consult the VR, the fact the VR is saying he wouldnt have made a decision does not mitigate Benthams mistake, its PR fluff and its a big reason the disciplinary process and officiating in RL is held in such low esteem by its fans.
There would be nothing wrong with Bentham saying, from my view it looked to be going wide, in hindsight I should have sent it upstairs. Everyone could accept that.
Instead we have this idiotic PR defence that Bentham’s had some special view that no-one could replicate therefor we should all just accept it and ignore all the video evidence which clearly contradicts him. |
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| Quote Dally="Dally"Was he really that sure, was there an "agenda", did he not realise he could?'"
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If he thought the ball was always wide when the players thought it was in - isn't he experienced enough to have thought - I'm tired and so may have perceived it wrongly? I ought to go to the VR in such an important situation? If not, why not? As to the video evidence being inconclusive .... they're having a giraffe.
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| Quote Ferocious Aardvark="Ferocious Aardvark"I'm not sure if you are really that stupid, but giving you the benefit of the doubt, OF BLOODY COURSE I don't "know". I can never "know". The only way I could "know" is if I had been in the perfect position from which I had videoed the incident and was able to review what i thought I had seen.
That is why we need evidence. That's how it works. My theory was that initially the ball seemed from the back shot to be on a line inside the post. It was that view that intrigued me. So, I collected evidence to test that theory and found a lot. I did not find any evidence that does not support my theory. And some of it, such as where the ball hit the back, cannot to me be explained away. So having done the spade work yes, I think the evidence is conclusive. And so I "rested my case".
I have been rationally analysing and discussing a specific issue and presenting evidence for people to consider. You on the other hand are just wading in with half-baked bull and trying to get in some sort of ing contest argument. Why? I will leave others to judge who's the "grown up".
Now that I have explained to you how it works, as a self-proclaimed "grown up", no doubt you will apologise. Whether or not you do, I for one would appreciate you sticking to the topic and not trying to start some flame war like some drunken tap room bigmouth.
Returning to the topic, I have found an image showing a view directly down the pitch of the stadium towards the relevant end. I have superimposed in the correct location the view of Brough having just kicked the ball, which appears yellow. I have also superimposed on the back wall a yellow ball in the position where it struck the glass.
This composite, incidentally, clearly illustrates how the lines of perspective drawn on it by the original poster are completely wrong.
Here is an enlargement of the centre of that image. (the lines of the seats etc don't precisely line up simply due to the zoom of the two cameras being different, one is a wide angle view, the other a zoomed view so a perfect alignment can't be done)
I think it supports the original theory that the ball maintained a line just inside the post, and it does not support the proposition that the ball swerved or drifted to the left.'"
Does anyone know how far behind the goal the "Fantastic" sign is relative to the distance in front of the posts from which Brough kicked it? If it's further behind than in front maybe the ref got it right!!?? |
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| Quote cravenpark1="cravenpark1"Well after reading most of the rubbish on the drop goal that was or never was is it not time to put it to bed no matter what people say it will not change the result it stands so get over it for god sake move on
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Speaking for myself I want to discuss a rugby topic on a rugby forum, because it is one that intrigues me. However I am not a Hudds fan nor a Saints fan so am looking at it from an academic standpoint. Therefore I don't have anything to "get over", nor do I want the result changing, nor am I finding any difficulty at all in "moving on": I don't have any issue from which to "move on".
If you don't want to take part in the discussion then why bother coming in? If you don't think there should be discussion then why are you on a discussion forum?  |
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