Or the Challenge Cup Final needs to be sold to Londoners. Union regularly get huge crowds at Twickenham for regular club games. England Rugby League get huge crowds when they play in London. The Challenge Cup Final should be sold to these potential customers.

Those were also the days when you had organised trips from pubs/clubs/rugby clubs and schools which I don't think you get anymore, certainly not in the numbers that used to go. Magic Weekend has taken over as the annual rugby trip away because it's seen as far better value for money. You get 6/7 games of rugby far cheaper than 1 at Wembley. Yes you still get neutrals going down to Wembley, but I reckon the percentage has reduced by a lot over the last few years.

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I think this is the key. We appear to be less social as a society these days. When I started work in the 1970s we had numerous works outings but in the last 10-20 years this concept had all but disappeared. The same also applied at the local pub and social club. Could the fault lie with computers and the internet?

Discount code of WEMBLEY15WEST for £15 tickets in blocks 131-136 lower tier

It's all manner of factors. Pubs and clubs are closing because they're becoming less relevant as a centre of the community, and the concept of "community" is, itself, less relevant. It's not just a pub and club thing - many aspects of "community life" have the same issues for slightly varied reasons - the church being an obvious one.

Twenty years ago, pubs were the only place you watch sport on a big screen. Today, more of us have big screen HD TVs and Sky Sports subscriptons at home. Younger generations are also generally drinking less.

And our lives have changed. We're more transient as a population - we move around for work and study and we change jobs more often - we're no longer in an era of "jobs for life" where people leave school at 16 and buy a house near to the factory where they'll work until they're in their 60s. We also commute longer. Those things all eat into the time that was traditionally spent in the pub.

It's easy to characterise these problems as "kids on their computer games", but it's actually just a reflection of how life has changed. One of the problems that RL the clubs at both amateur and professional level clubs haven't responded to those changes.

Nail. Head.

This has got to be jealousy of the highest order.

My point is neutrals and Joe public who do not have a discount code are unlikely to fork out £50 (cheapest available without a code)

Why have the £20 and £30 tickets been taken off sale, it’s a bizarre strategy.

They are trying to sell the tickets behind the sticks that go directly to the clubs and where most fans of the final clubs want to be sat. I know that our seats for the last 2 years have been in the region of £50 for behind the sticks but we paid because we couldn't imagine being anywhere else. The cheaper tickets are in the more neutral areas that they've closed off to try and get a fuller bottom bowl.

If JonnoTheGreat comes out with this kind of tosh can you imagine what JonnoTheOrdinary comes out with?

From a drinking perspective going on a bustrip to magic or the grand final is much better. With the grand final you're able to do a pub crawl beforehand. With magic you've got St James right in the centre of Newcastle and the prospect of a night out after. With Wembley you've got overpriced merchandise and some arches. Not a patch on the old Wembley

Sorry had to read your last sentence twice "a fuller bottom bowl" didn't seem aspirational at all on first viewing

He’s the most bitter man on this whole site. I’ve seen smaller chips on ‘manVfood’ than the one Jonno has on his shoulder about the Wire.

Lower than the Featherstone one? I hope not.