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| Quote: fevfan76 "Wondered how long it would be before the local troll turned up
Funny how Superleague fans who have watched team be mismanaged for years believe its so hard.
you know what I mean, of course they will try and be competitive, but they dont need to try and win SL in one season.
Next you will be telling me that having a 3 year franchise is better because in your first season you dont have to spend like mad to stay in the league and you can build gradually - oh wait .....'"
i wonder if anybody told widnes that. it is obviously better and in 5 years all the championship clubs will be ed because they don't have a fair footing and can't gain promotion bar the odd cases. not mentioning the yo-yoing of average players.
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| Quote: fevfan76 "Wondered how long it would be before the local troll turned up
Funny how Superleague fans who have watched team be mismanaged for years believe its so hard.
you know what I mean, of course they will try and be competitive, but they dont need to try and win SL in one season.
Next you will be telling me that having a 3 year franchise is better because in your first season you dont have to spend like mad to stay in the league and you can build gradually - oh wait .....'"
yeah like Widnes, Like Salford, Like Les Catalans.
My team makes a profit, has won numerous titles with a squad built around young local players it developed, it owns its own stadium and has an average attendance larger than the entire village of Featherstone.
They arent mismanaged. They are managed very very well.
Your problem is that you need to believe that the worst of Super League is representative of the whole of Super League. It isnt. Being better than our worst, will not get you close to the likes of Widnes or Salford next year, never mind the likes of Les Catalans, Huddersfield, Leeds, Wigan, Saints, Warrington, Hull, Hull KR.
Featherstone first team now would probably have 20 points put on them by Leeds or Wigans 2nd team.
We have already seen the likes of Hardman, Briggs, Moore, James, Ellis, Crossley, Sharp, Dale, Saxton at SL level and they weren’t up to scratch. And these aren’t your Amor’s your Walmsley’s your Hill’s who were young and dropped out and came back a bit more mature. These are players at their peak and older. Fev's squad is probably at least 15 players away from being a competitive SL squad.
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "yeah like Widnes, Like Salford, Like Les Catalans.
My team makes a profit, has won numerous titles with a squad built around young local players it developed, it owns its own stadium and has an average attendance larger than the entire village of Featherstone.
They arent mismanaged. They are managed very very well.
Your problem is that you need to believe that the worst of Super League is representative of the whole of Super League. It isnt. Being better than our worst, will not get you close to the likes of Widnes or Salford next year, never mind the likes of Les Catalans, Huddersfield, Leeds, Wigan, Saints, Warrington, Hull, Hull KR.
Featherstone first team now would probably have 20 points put on them by Leeds or Wigans 2nd team.
We have already seen the likes of Hardman, Briggs, Moore, James, Ellis, Crossley, Sharp, Dale, Saxton at SL level and they weren’t up to scratch. And these aren’t your Amor’s your Walmsley’s your Hill’s who were young and dropped out and came back a bit more mature. These are players at their peak and older. Fev's squad is probably at least 15 players away from being a competitive SL squad.'"
lol yeah leads are doing well and so is the fev contingent leeds dont have an average crowd of 18000. While on the subject of population then Fevs attendance per population is miles better than leeds
At least with the new system if a team does go up they will be worthy of it. Widnes the season they went up lost by an aggregate of over 90 points to fev. they had much more to make up to be competitive than a team winning it from 2015 will have to do.
Leeds are well managed currently another 13 teams in superleage, not all are well managed like leeds
End of the day I will wait and see, Im not gonna start using speculation and opinion as facts like you always do
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| Quote: fevfan76 "lol yeah leads are doing well and so is the fev contingent leeds dont have an average crowd of 18000. While on the subject of population then Fevs attendance per population is miles better than leeds
Do they also pay the extra to make up the difference which is the only way an average would matter? don't think so.
Widnes was worthy of it and the past 2 seasons prove it, they have the structure for super league majority of championship clubs don't. Any club can be made into a decent team.
Yes and those clubs that wasn't well managed should have lost the license and been replaced correctly, it was the RFL that failed not franchising but they made the right decision in choosing Widnes.
Fev could be better than Leigh all season and if Leigh finish 2nd and fev 1st it then matter who signs the best of an average bunch because 3 months isn't long enough.
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| Several clubs failed in the short period that we had a licensed league,twist and squirm all you want,thats whats happened.
If bradford & Wakefield had been relegated out of the licensed league when they went into"what should have been"unacceptable financial meltdown,we would still have licensing now.
Instead we now have the same clubs being given 400k from the 2017 tv deal just to prop them up some more
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| Neither Bradford nor Wakefield have finished in a relegation place
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| Ah I thought this had all been put to bed months ago.
I see it was just a matter of the protesters bidding their time.
I know why don't we let the SL chairmen vote on it!!!!!
Oh they did?
Well lets dump the democratic idea and have one overlord to make all the decisions, what they had that too years ago and dumped that idea.
I dunno, people wanting to make up their own minds, it will never work.
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "Neither Bradford nor Wakefield have finished in a relegation place'"
So what
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| Quote: j.c "So what'"
So P+R would have neither solved nor addressed the situations at Bradford or Wakefield, The system we have in place is irrelevant to their failure which was solely down to bad management.
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| It worked for my club. It allowed us to spend money on our ground and our jnr system rather than spending it all on first team for fear of relegation.
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "So P+R would have neither solved nor addressed the situations at Bradford or Wakefield, The system we have in place is irrelevant to their failure which was solely down to bad management.'"
Why you talking to me about P&R.
I said two clubs bradford and wakefield should have been relegated out of the licensed league when they went into administration
Its irrelavent to me whether clubs replaced them or not
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| Quote: j.c "Why you talking to me about P&R.
I said two clubs bradford and wakefield should have been relegated out of the licensed league when they went into administration
Its irrelavent to me whether clubs replaced them or not'"
Im saying that whatever system we have, the issues at Bradford and Wakefield would be apparent, and they wouldnt have been solved by simply relegating them.
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| Quote: fevfan76 "lol yeah leads are doing well and so is the fev contingent leeds dont have an average crowd of 18000. While on the subject of population then Fevs attendance per population is miles better than leeds
Don’t take any notice fevfan. And don’t let him tell you Leeds is well managed....
Leeds has, relatively speaking, been a let down to the game of RL. With its potential in the game, Leeds Rhinos should now have a ground with a bigger capacity, better facilities and a bigger average crowd.
It was said above that the Leeds team owns its own ground. But he told us previously that Headingley is owned by a guy called Paul Caddick. A guy whose first love is RU. He runs a pro RU club out of Headingley. And I guess you don’t need a bigger ground for that!
We were also told that Leeds Rhinos makes a profit of about £600k a year. They shouldn’t do that – they should spend that money on developing Leeds Rhinos – and just aim to break even each year. Note though, that in the RFL rules, Leeds Rhinos is the only member club that’s listed has having TWO owning companies – Leeds Cricket, Football and Athletic Club Ltd and Leeds Rugby Ltd!! I hope the £600k a year that rugby league is said to make isn’t siphoned off to help prop up Leeds’ RU club!
Franchising all but killed off the game in the pyramid below the top 8 clubs. Amazingly though, there are still some strong clubs in the 2nd tier. Once the new structure is up and running, just watch the whole game go year on year!
Leeds should jack in the RU distraction and concentrate on rugby league like Featherstone (a club that really does own its own ground) does.
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| Quote: Wooden Stand "Don’t take any notice fevfan. And don’t let him tell you Leeds is well managed....
Leeds has, relatively speaking, been a let down to the game of RL. With its potential in the game, Leeds Rhinos should now have a ground with a bigger capacity, better facilities and a bigger average crowd.
It was said above that the Leeds team owns its own ground. But he told us previously that Headingley is owned by a guy called Paul Caddick. A guy whose first love is RU. He runs a pro RU club out of Headingley. And I guess you don’t need a bigger ground for that!
We were also told that Leeds Rhinos makes a profit of about £600k a year. They shouldn’t do that – they should spend that money on developing Leeds Rhinos – and just aim to break even each year. Note though, that in the RFL rules, Leeds Rhinos is the only member club that’s listed has having TWO owning companies – Leeds Cricket, Football and Athletic Club Ltd and Leeds Rugby Ltd!! I hope the £600k a year that rugby league is said to make isn’t siphoned off to help prop up Leeds’ RU club!
Franchising all but killed off the game in the pyramid below the top 8 clubs. Amazingly though, there are still some strong clubs in the 2nd tier. Once the new structure is up and running, just watch the whole game go year on year!
Leeds should jack in the RU distraction and concentrate on rugby league like Featherstone (a club that really does own its own ground) does.'"
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