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Quote: Wheels "They own a few places don't they?

Whitebank, Spotland, Cougar Park, Odsal...?'"

These will be 2011 figures so Odsal won't be on there yet, and IIRC Oldham Council bought Whitebank, Spotland is jointly owned by the clubs and Cougar Park is owned by the co-op. Though I'll happily admit I'm not 100% sure on them all and I haven't had my cake fix for today.

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For some reason I can't view the link, but 3% sponsorship after a 4 Nations year is awful and shows why I and others have serious doubts regarding the abilities of the guys running the show to maximise our potential and achieve real value for our product.
They can suck up the freebies from the non producers but can't sell to the real world.

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Quote: maurice "For some reason I can't view the link, but 3% sponsorship after a 4 Nations year is awful and shows why I and others have serious doubts regarding the abilities of the guys running the show to maximise our potential and achieve real value for our product.
They can suck up the freebies from the non producers but can't sell to the real world.'"

If it were 4% would it be awful?

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3% is less than a million and compares poorly with the RFU's £16 million which represented 13% of income for them - don't you agree?

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these figures dont include Super League revenue, as that is a seperate Limited company.

So sponsorship income for the RFL is limited to Internationals and the Challenge Cup.

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Thats not bad then

I despair of RL fans, they would find some complaint no matter what.

Great figures, great information and hugely positive from the RFL

RL Fans whinge - the games biggest threat is its own fans.

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Quote: Code13 "T despair of RL fans, they would find some complaint no matter what.'"


We're Northern, of course we complain icon_lol.gif

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Quote: Code13 "Thats not bad then

I despair of RL fans, they would find some complaint no matter what.

Great figures, great information and hugely positive from the RFL

RL Fans whinge - the games biggest threat is its own fans.'"


History shows us that some believe anything they are told because they want to believe it, no matter what evidence unfolds before them. Those questioning the propoganda at the time are often persecuted and ridiculed, but ultimately proved right.

The report says 'cost controls are working but sales are poor in comparison to our competition' as a result I would be asking why are sales so poor, and questioning the capabilities of those driving them.

Some people accept mediocrity, some want to be the best they can be. Maybe that's the RFL's problem and those blindly supporting them on here. We are in a competitive market, we do not need non producers leading us.

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You haven't answered the question, is 4% of revenue enough for sponsorship or would that be poor as well?

If you haven't noticed there's a recession going on, with a sport based primarily in poorer areas of the country do you think that recession may have an effect? Or is that the RFL's fault too?

They've made record revenue and you're b|tching and whining and calling it pathetic. It beggars belief.

Oh and which non-producer are you talking about? Richard Lewis or Maurice Watkins?

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I answered it, you're just thick.

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RL continues to have a poor perception across the great unwashed as a small game played along the M62 watched by a few poor northerners. Without money to change that we won't attract the blue chip corporate support. Bit of a chicken and egg.

Can't access that report, what was the other 18 mill spent on?

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Quote: maurice "The report says 'cost controls are working but sales are poor in comparison to our competition' as a result I would be asking why are sales so poor, and questioning the capabilities of those driving them.'"


So you think they just put that comment in the report with the intention of doing nothing about it? Given they're reporting a revenue increase of nearly 20% do you think the same sales teams should be given that opportunity?

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Quote: Him "You haven't answered the question, is 4% of revenue enough for sponsorship or would that be poor as well?

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I would say most definitely inadequate. we don,t really have any big global sponors on board, next year could be showing up worse with the Stobart and Elonex no show on real monies.
Our sporting model is a disgrace compared to ther sports and I wonder if we will catch up EVER.
We are at the bottom of the scale, in league 3 or 4 or 5% sponsor values are in millions, in other sports 3 or 4 or 5 % are heading towards billions.
If we start catching up on Union with marketing, media and sponsors I would be happy, but its not the gap is widening to the point our game has very little significance as a global sport.

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RL Fans astound me sometimes, a very good news story about the governing body making record profits, whilst in a recession has some how turned into a bad news story and something to have a go at the RFL for. I honestly feel the doomongerers and miseries are getting worse, and this forum is all the worse for it.

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