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Quote: Starbug "So they will supply money to run academies ? , what if you run an academy and the players dont work their way through the system ? , they take the money away ?

So they will provide funding for Community depts ? , what if you already run community depts ? , will they still give you the money ?

How will the ' quantify ' what is successful and what isn't , and therefore give or withdraw financial support ?'"


As you should be well aware not every player that pulls on a jersey for a club has come through an academy system at that club as several clubs don't run an academy. Martin Ridyard came from a Leigh amateur club a couple of years back but he still got the chance to play for Leigh without an academy to play in first. Going back a few years Wigan signed Phil Jones from Lancashire Lynx after he had played for their first team.Did they have an academy? Doubt it.

A community department can be as big or small as you can manage. Hence my saying however modest they start out at. If money is tight then volunteers can be used and that in itself would be a positive link with the community.

What you are reacting to Starbug is a statement given to the media so that fans can read it and get an idea of what is being considered and that they are aware that the process is progressing. It is not the draft proposal that is being given to the 21 clubs and as such will not contain all the fine details of each point (they will be in the draft proposal that the clubs see). We don't get, and won't get all the details as fans as we frankly don't need to see everything of a plan that is still under consultation.

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Quote: Richie "Look what the quote was "It is right and proper that clubs which consistently make positive contributions to their communities, who have clearly defined and recognised player development pathways and are run on sound business principles are rewarded,"

So, do those things and you'll get rewarded. If your clubs first option is to beg for money to run an academy, then I think your club is likely to get told to go f*** themselves.
Why woudl you think already running a community department would be a problem?[/quote]


I dont , Leigh already run a very successful [ award winning in fact ] community dept and find the funding for it , so if others dont , will they be funded centrally ? , and if they are , will clubs that have already done the hard work be given the same money to spend elsewhere ?

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Quote: mmp "it is a press release.

i'm sure Leigh have the same access to RFL guidance and other documentation as any other club and they've all probably got a fair idea what it means. if there is a regular issue with certain clubs not being able to understand it all though then what can be done...'"


But this is a press release for the fans , not the clubs , so what can be done ? , maybe using plain speakimg English instead of trying to sound cleverer than they really are , by talking bollox icon_wink.gif

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Quote: tb "This is Leigh "we've been told we're not allowed to run an U18s", "we've been told we're not allowed to run scholarships" – but when you check it out they've been told no such thing… that Leigh?


So are we now going to be given cash to run them ? , answer away , if it is as plainly simple as you suggest ?


I'm just following your advice in your ' sig ' icon_wink.gif

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Quote: wiganermike "As you should be well aware not every player that pulls on a jersey for a club has come through an academy system at that club as several clubs don't run an academy. Martin Ridyard came from a Leigh amateur club a couple of years back but he still got the chance to play for Leigh without an academy to play in first. Going back a few years Wigan signed Phil Jones from Lancashire Lynx after he had played for their first team.Did they have an academy? Doubt it.

A community department can be as big or small as you can manage. Hence my saying however modest they start out at. If money is tight then volunteers can be used and that in itself would be a positive link with the community.

What you are reacting to Starbug is a statement given to the media so that fans can read it and get an idea of what is being considered and that they are aware that the process is progressing. It is not the draft proposal that is being given to the 21 clubs and as such will not contain all the fine details of each point (they will be in the draft proposal that the clubs see). We don't get, and won't get all the details as fans as we frankly don't need to see everything of a plan that is still under consultation.'"



What I am reacting to is the same load of absolute cobblers we see time and time again from Red hall , lots of ' ambiguous ' words meaning Zilch , these statements can mean virtually anything and nothing , yet more ' Emporers new clothes ' with the usual suspects all agreeing how nice they look icon_biggrin.gif

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if you were expecting details from a statement saying "we are planning to make changes and are in consultation with the clubs and taking feedback from them" then your a ing idiot.

Its a consultation paper, it says its a consultation paper, it is part of the process to get to the details. You would have to be particularly stupid to not understand the obvious reasons the details would be limited in a press release about a consultation paper.

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Quote: Starbug "Leigh already run a very successful [ award winning in fact ] community dept and find the funding for it , so if others dont , will they be funded centrally ? , and if they are , will clubs that have already done the hard work be given the same money to spend elsewhere ?'"


According to the article in League Express the clubs all get one third of the allocated funding unconditionally with the rest of the funding given if they meet RFL standards on community, player development and financial stability.

If that is the case then they would have to be running the club well to get the funding. They might recoup the costs later by obtaining the funding but they have to do the work first to get it. A club already running a community dept (like Leigh) could then use the funds released (effectively spare money) on other areas (such as running an academy) to further improve the club overall.

If on the other hand a club is happy to kick around at the bottom of Champ 1 running on a third of everyone else's funds and not running community departments or academies then that is their choice but they will not get the same cash as clubs that do run those areas.

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Quote: wiganermike "According to the article in League Express the clubs all get one third of the allocated funding unconditionally with the rest of the funding given if they meet RFL standards on community, player development and financial stability.

If that is the case then they would have to be running the club well to get the funding. They might recoup the costs later by obtaining the funding but they have to do the work first to get it. A club already running a community dept (like Leigh) could then use the funds released (effectively spare money) on other areas (such as running an academy) to further improve the club overall.

If on the other hand a club is happy to kick around at the bottom of Champ 1 running on a third of everyone else's funds and not running community departments or academies then that is their choice but they will not get the same cash as clubs that do run those areas.'"


So why didn't they say that in the Statement , all a lot clearer icon_wink.gif , see it wasn't hard at all was it

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Quote: wiganermike "According to the article in League Express the clubs all get one third of the allocated funding unconditionally with the rest of the funding given if they meet RFL standards on community, player development and financial stability.

If that is the case then they would have to be running the club well to get the funding. They might recoup the costs later by obtaining the funding but they have to do the work first to get it. A club already running a community dept (like Leigh) could then use the funds released (effectively spare money) on other areas (such as running an academy) to further improve the club overall.

If on the other hand a club is happy to kick around at the bottom of Champ 1 running on a third of everyone else's funds and not running community departments or academies then that is their choice but they will not get the same cash as clubs that do run those areas.'"



Did it mention a figure ?

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Quote: Starbug "I dont , Leigh already run a very successful [ award winning in fact ] community dept and find the funding for it , so if others dont , will they be funded centrally ? , and if they are , will clubs that have already done the hard work be given the same money to spend elsewhere ?'"


Why would those be funded centrally? What have you heard or read that would give you that impression?

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Quote: Starbug "Did it mention a figure ?'"


No. But that won't be mentioned anyway until it is set in stone. Level of funds being dependant on the new TV deal. The LE article did mention Championship clubs each getting more money than Champ 1 clubs under the new proposed structure.

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Quote: Richie "Why would those be funded centrally? What have you heard or read that would give you that impression?'"


Thats why I asked for the real meaning of this ?

reward the clubs who make the most positive contribution to Rugby League.

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Quote: wiganermike "No. But that won't be mentioned anyway until it is set in stone. Level of funds being dependant on the new TV deal. The LE article did mention Championship clubs each getting more money than Champ 1 clubs under the new proposed structure.'"


Cant be , it states ' Central ' funding doesn't it , thats not SKY money

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Quote: Starbug "Thats why I asked for the real meaning of this ?

reward the clubs who make the most positive contribution to Rugby League.'"


and you translated that as "the RFL will centrally fund community departments" ? icon_biggrin.gif

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Quote: Starbug "Cant be , it states ' Central ' funding doesn't it , thats not SKY money'"


That's just what it said in the LE article that the level of funding was dependant on the TV deal.

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